WEBVTT 00:00:00.640 --> 00:00:03.256 thank you and welcome to the 00:00:03.280 --> 00:00:06.176 extraordinary February meeting 00:00:06.200 --> 00:00:08.776 2024 Kiama Municipal 00:00:08.800 --> 00:00:11.800 Council I'd just like to welcome all 00:00:12.280 --> 00:00:15.280 the councilors here and those 00:00:16.640 --> 00:00:17.976 those guests who've come to listen in 00:00:18.000 --> 00:00:21.000 the gallery I need to make a a 00:00:21.519 --> 00:00:23.856 webcasting statement and be aware that 00:00:23.880 --> 00:00:25.656 this meeting is being recorded and made 00:00:25.680 --> 00:00:27.216 publicly available on the council 00:00:27.240 --> 00:00:30.240 website those attending the meeting 00:00:30.279 --> 00:00:32.936 should refrain from making defamatory 00:00:32.960 --> 00:00:35.960 statements I also like to acknowledge 00:00:36.160 --> 00:00:39.096 the land on which we are meeting is 00:00:39.120 --> 00:00:41.256 the traditional lands of the Wodi Wodi people 00:00:41.280 --> 00:00:43.896 of the Dharawal language group and I want 00:00:43.920 --> 00:00:46.920 to show our regards and respect to their 00:00:47.160 --> 00:00:49.816 Elders past present and 00:00:49.840 --> 00:00:52.840 emerging we have to read these 00:00:54.480 --> 00:00:57.256 days a statement of ethical obligations 00:00:57.280 --> 00:00:59.896 and Council as are reminded of Their Own 00:00:59.920 --> 00:01:01.896 oath or affirmations of office under 00:01:01.920 --> 00:01:03.696 section 00:01:03.720 --> 00:01:06.720 233a of the act of local government and 00:01:06.920 --> 00:01:08.616 their obligations under the code of 00:01:08.640 --> 00:01:11.376 conduct to disclose and appropriately 00:01:11.400 --> 00:01:14.400 manage any conflicts of interests do 00:01:14.840 --> 00:01:16.496 we have we have no 00:01:16.520 --> 00:01:19.520 apologies what I would like to do now 00:01:19.759 --> 00:01:22.455 is to call for two things firstly to 00:01:22.479 --> 00:01:25.216 allow councilor dma to join us by 00:01:25.240 --> 00:01:27.976 video conference can I call 00:01:28.000 --> 00:01:30.296 remover for that councelor brown and 00:01:30.320 --> 00:01:33.320 second to councilor croxford is there 00:01:33.439 --> 00:01:35.816 any discussion on this all those in 00:01:35.840 --> 00:01:38.840 favor raise your hand and also for 00:01:39.759 --> 00:01:42.759 the convenience of council steel 00:01:42.960 --> 00:01:45.856 could we ensure that when we are in 00:01:45.880 --> 00:01:48.880 ordinary Council councelor steel is 00:01:49.479 --> 00:01:51.775 given a dispensation against standing 00:01:51.799 --> 00:01:54.055 up and sitting down because of the 00:01:54.079 --> 00:01:55.496 difficulty of that situation all those 00:01:55.520 --> 00:01:56.695 in 00:01:56.719 --> 00:01:59.719 favor thank you and so say again go back 00:02:00.840 --> 00:02:03.840 to conf yes yes yes what I would 00:02:04.920 --> 00:02:07.920 like to 00:02:09.119 --> 00:02:12.119 do is with regard to disclosure of 00:02:12.520 --> 00:02:15.520 interests and we're on seven here but 00:02:16.080 --> 00:02:18.136 what I want to do is I want to move a 00:02:18.160 --> 00:02:19.816 few things around and I've spoken with 00:02:19.840 --> 00:02:22.736 councelor rice on this we disagree on it 00:02:22.760 --> 00:02:25.760 but we're still going to do this and 00:02:25.920 --> 00:02:28.176 it's with regard for the tabling of 00:02:28.200 --> 00:02:30.456 petitions and other 00:02:30.480 --> 00:02:33.480 docents and I would like to suggest 00:02:33.680 --> 00:02:36.016 because we've had such difficulty and 00:02:36.040 --> 00:02:39.040 this is 00:02:41.040 --> 00:02:44.040 sorry okay okay I'll just finish what 00:02:45.800 --> 00:02:46.656 I was 00:02:46.680 --> 00:02:49.680 saying that because of the difficulty 00:02:50.440 --> 00:02:53.440 in getting a motion that is lawful 00:02:53.800 --> 00:02:56.800 enforcable and workable with regard to 00:02:57.280 --> 00:02:59.935 the letter that have been authored by 00:02:59.959 --> 00:03:02.959 coun by former counselors McCarthy 00:03:03.680 --> 00:03:06.680 and Jones that we use that docent 00:03:08.519 --> 00:03:10.775 as and and table the docent to 00:03:10.799 --> 00:03:13.799 council rather than have the docent 00:03:14.319 --> 00:03:17.319 debated when there can be no real 00:03:17.560 --> 00:03:20.560 outcome councelor rice is that 00:03:21.760 --> 00:03:24.760 that's how I described it to 00:03:27.239 --> 00:03:30.239 you do do you want to just speak to that 00:03:30.599 --> 00:03:32.456 well that was how you described it to me 00:03:32.480 --> 00:03:35.480 and I have asked for the reasons why it 00:03:36.959 --> 00:03:39.959 is being considered not lawful not 00:03:40.000 --> 00:03:41.696 enforceable and not workable 00:03:41.720 --> 00:03:43.696 particularly because I forwarded an 00:03:43.720 --> 00:03:46.096 amendment this morning that councilors 00:03:46.120 --> 00:03:48.656 have seen and I have had no explanation 00:03:48.680 --> 00:03:50.616 as to how that doesn't satisfy those 00:03:50.640 --> 00:03:53.640 criteria okay thank you but before we 00:03:55.640 --> 00:03:58.640 actually get into to talking of that I 00:03:59.000 --> 00:04:01.295 would like to to have people understand 00:04:01.319 --> 00:04:03.055 that we still have disclosures 00:04:03.079 --> 00:04:06.079 disclosures of Interest as I mentioned 00:04:06.400 --> 00:04:09.400 I had a an interest but as such 00:04:10.920 --> 00:04:13.920 I'm no longer a member of the USU and 00:04:15.159 --> 00:04:18.159 we have a a disclosure of interest from 00:04:18.680 --> 00:04:20.696 earlier on this afternoon from 00:04:20.720 --> 00:04:23.720 councelor Ren Klang who is looks 00:04:25.000 --> 00:04:27.816 like she's ready to read it again yes 00:04:27.840 --> 00:04:30.840 I think the CEO requested that I did 00:04:31.600 --> 00:04:34.600 so I have a declaration of 00:04:35.680 --> 00:04:38.680 non-pecuniary less than 00:04:39.240 --> 00:04:42.240 significant interest in agenda items 8.1 00:04:43.160 --> 00:04:44.056 and 00:04:44.080 --> 00:04:47.080 9.1 the reason for the disclosure 00:04:48.199 --> 00:04:50.416 is I'm a member of the United Services 00:04:50.440 --> 00:04:53.440 Union and I propose to disclose and 00:04:55.639 --> 00:04:58.536 vote thank 00:04:58.560 --> 00:05:01.560 you 00:05:02.120 --> 00:05:05.120 okay could I ask the CEO to give us a 00:05:05.680 --> 00:05:08.680 smary of he spoke it's I also have a 00:05:09.120 --> 00:05:10.536 oh I'm so sorry I didn't notice your 00:05:10.560 --> 00:05:13.560 light thank you I'd like to declare a 00:05:15.120 --> 00:05:17.856 non-pecuniary lesson 00:05:17.880 --> 00:05:20.776 significant interest in agenda item 00:05:20.800 --> 00:05:21.856 nber 00:05:21.880 --> 00:05:24.880 9.1 the reason why is when I'm not 00:05:25.000 --> 00:05:26.656 here as counselor I actually have 00:05:26.680 --> 00:05:29.680 another job at a local college and 00:05:31.120 --> 00:05:34.120 that college offers courses in age care 00:05:34.240 --> 00:05:36.895 and students in those courses undertake 00:05:36.919 --> 00:05:39.816 some workplac hours some of those 00:05:39.840 --> 00:05:41.496 students undertake those hours up at 00:05:41.520 --> 00:05:43.576 Blue Haven banera at the moment there's 00:05:43.600 --> 00:05:46.600 a small nber up there I'm not 00:05:47.199 --> 00:05:49.696 involved in coordinating or 00:05:49.720 --> 00:05:52.216 recruiting the students or placing them 00:05:52.240 --> 00:05:54.536 so but I'm declaring it here so it's on 00:05:54.560 --> 00:05:57.295 the public record the second reason is 00:05:57.319 --> 00:05:59.136 that my father actually volunteers at 00:05:59.160 --> 00:06:02.160 Blue Haven berera in the form of 00:06:02.240 --> 00:06:05.096 entertainment Friday's happy hour and he 00:06:05.120 --> 00:06:07.056 plays the piano and the guitar and gets 00:06:07.080 --> 00:06:09.015 the staff and residents up singing and 00:06:09.039 --> 00:06:11.536 dancing so I thought i' better let 00:06:11.560 --> 00:06:13.455 everybody know that he's wonderful at 00:06:13.479 --> 00:06:16.479 his volunteering and he and he's a 00:06:16.880 --> 00:06:18.976 far better tennis player than 00:06:19.000 --> 00:06:21.735 me excellent okay thank you very kindly 00:06:21.759 --> 00:06:23.455 are there any others none that I've 00:06:23.479 --> 00:06:26.479 missed thank you I'd ask now for the 00:06:26.720 --> 00:06:28.856 CEO to give us a smary of the public 00:06:28.880 --> 00:06:31.336 access 00:06:31.360 --> 00:06:33.376 thank you Mr Mayor we only had one 00:06:33.400 --> 00:06:36.400 speaker at Public Access Mr Howard Jones 00:06:36.560 --> 00:06:39.256 speaking on the notice of motion thank 00:06:39.280 --> 00:06:41.615 you so much all right now I will move 00:06:41.639 --> 00:06:43.776 back to the tabling of petitions and 00:06:43.800 --> 00:06:45.976 other docents 00:06:46.000 --> 00:06:49.000 and I would like to make a procedural 00:06:50.280 --> 00:06:53.216 motion at this point and that 00:06:53.240 --> 00:06:56.015 procedural motion is that because of the 00:06:56.039 --> 00:06:59.039 difficulty discovered with regard to 00:06:59.400 --> 00:07:02.175 to trying to put a motion and we've 00:07:02.199 --> 00:07:05.199 tried three times to to do such with 00:07:05.520 --> 00:07:08.496 regard to the letter open letter to 00:07:08.520 --> 00:07:11.520 the community by Jones and McCarthy that 00:07:11.960 --> 00:07:14.960 we table that letter as a docent to 00:07:16.000 --> 00:07:19.000 stay with Council records and that if 00:07:19.840 --> 00:07:22.840 at a future date we can we can debate 00:07:22.919 --> 00:07:24.936 that well and good but at this stage 00:07:24.960 --> 00:07:27.376 with the process going through of the 00:07:27.400 --> 00:07:30.400 sale of Blue Haven I find it just 00:07:30.560 --> 00:07:33.560 just impossible and that's how I 00:07:33.680 --> 00:07:35.735 would rule I've got a copy an electronic 00:07:35.759 --> 00:07:38.759 copy of that docent and I will pass 00:07:39.000 --> 00:07:41.136 that on to the minute taker to 00:07:41.160 --> 00:07:43.175 include in the next 00:07:43.199 --> 00:07:45.336 one thank 00:07:45.360 --> 00:07:48.360 you is there any discussion just a 00:07:49.720 --> 00:07:52.455 point of order me yes code of meeting 00:07:52.479 --> 00:07:55.336 practice 10.28 we don't need a second no 00:07:55.360 --> 00:07:58.135 no Cod 10.2.0 I'm asking that we limit 00:07:58.159 --> 00:08:00.895 all proceedings to 3 minutes speakers 00:08:00.919 --> 00:08:02.656 for three minutes if you can get a 00:08:02.680 --> 00:08:05.680 second for that councelor Brown is 00:08:06.879 --> 00:08:09.879 there any discussion on 00:08:10.560 --> 00:08:13.560 that that means okay thank you 00:08:16.120 --> 00:08:18.096 just just just just if you could just 00:08:18.120 --> 00:08:20.135 turn your lights off for a moment so 00:08:20.159 --> 00:08:23.159 I've made that that that procedural 00:08:23.360 --> 00:08:25.336 ruling and it is a ruling not a motion 00:08:25.360 --> 00:08:26.696 I'm sorry I didn't mean to accept a 00:08:26.720 --> 00:08:29.720 second for something like that but 00:08:30.879 --> 00:08:33.056 I think it's important that we get to 00:08:33.080 --> 00:08:35.455 the important business of what we're 00:08:35.479 --> 00:08:38.479 doing so councelor rice would you 00:08:40.440 --> 00:08:43.440 agree to have that that letter 00:08:45.600 --> 00:08:47.896 tabled no I don't agree to have it 00:08:47.920 --> 00:08:50.920 tabled as a letter or petition because 00:08:51.160 --> 00:08:53.096 although it's stated that you've had no 00:08:53.120 --> 00:08:55.255 progress in getting a motion that's 00:08:55.279 --> 00:08:57.696 lawful enforceable and workable nothing 00:08:57.720 --> 00:08:59.776 of that has been communicated to me 00:08:59.800 --> 00:09:01.896 regarding the motion that I circulated 00:09:01.920 --> 00:09:04.016 this morning and so if you'd like to 00:09:04.040 --> 00:09:06.536 explain to me why it is not lawful 00:09:06.560 --> 00:09:09.456 enforceable and workable and using this 00:09:09.480 --> 00:09:11.456 final motion circulated this morning I 00:09:11.480 --> 00:09:13.456 would like to hear sure the only way 00:09:13.480 --> 00:09:16.480 that I can do that is to I've made my 00:09:17.079 --> 00:09:20.079 decision and and that that's it but is 00:09:21.240 --> 00:09:24.240 through a motion of dissent so can I 00:09:25.040 --> 00:09:27.176 take your your comments as a motion 00:09:27.200 --> 00:09:29.856 of descent a point of proced 00:09:29.880 --> 00:09:32.880 no no I'm talking thank you yes you 00:09:34.240 --> 00:09:36.416 certainly can take my feelings as a 00:09:36.440 --> 00:09:39.016 motion of descent okay it is a motion of 00:09:39.040 --> 00:09:42.040 dissent and therefore before we get 00:09:42.120 --> 00:09:45.120 to the U the actual business of speaking 00:09:45.399 --> 00:09:48.375 for three minutes and five minutes 00:09:48.399 --> 00:09:50.456 we'll allow five minutes on this matter 00:09:50.480 --> 00:09:53.456 and this matter only and then we'll talk 00:09:53.480 --> 00:09:56.055 after we go into U 00:09:56.079 --> 00:09:58.216 confidential thank you Mr Mayor because 00:09:58.240 --> 00:09:59.935 in our discussion this morning you did 00:09:59.959 --> 00:10:01.736 indicate I would have at least five 00:10:01.760 --> 00:10:04.760 minutes to speak and that's the truth so 00:10:05.000 --> 00:10:07.096 the way that this works for those in the 00:10:07.120 --> 00:10:10.120 gallery is that we get councelor rice 00:10:10.519 --> 00:10:13.255 who is desending from my my 00:10:13.279 --> 00:10:16.279 procedural ruling that she has five 00:10:16.519 --> 00:10:19.055 minutes to be able to put her case why 00:10:19.079 --> 00:10:22.079 the letter from McCarthy and Jan 00:10:23.160 --> 00:10:26.160 should be read and debated to what end 00:10:28.160 --> 00:10:31.160 and once she has had 5 minutes I 00:10:31.560 --> 00:10:33.136 will have five minutes to put my 00:10:33.160 --> 00:10:34.896 position as to why I think we shouldn't 00:10:34.920 --> 00:10:37.920 do it that way so councelor 00:10:38.880 --> 00:10:41.880 rice sorry point of order Mr me yes 00:10:42.720 --> 00:10:45.720 Can can I just ask a question yeah 00:10:48.680 --> 00:10:50.456 M just a question a procedure I'm sorry 00:10:50.480 --> 00:10:52.296 I'm I've got councelor brown has the 00:10:52.320 --> 00:10:55.320 floor I understand that the motion is 00:10:55.800 --> 00:10:58.615 not so much reading the letter and if 00:10:58.639 --> 00:11:00.255 you could answer this question has that 00:11:00.279 --> 00:11:02.536 letter been published the letter is not 00:11:02.560 --> 00:11:04.255 this is not about no no it's about the 00:11:04.279 --> 00:11:07.279 motion yeah yes so I just maybe I 00:11:07.360 --> 00:11:09.136 misheard you you said about the reading 00:11:09.160 --> 00:11:10.856 of the letter oh I'm Sor I understand 00:11:10.880 --> 00:11:13.880 that your recommendation of 00:11:14.279 --> 00:11:16.296 unlawfulness is because the motion looks 00:11:16.320 --> 00:11:18.576 at suspending a process that we've 00:11:18.600 --> 00:11:20.896 already started yeah it it does but we 00:11:20.920 --> 00:11:22.416 we're not debating that now point of 00:11:22.440 --> 00:11:24.856 orderin okay Council Lang your point of 00:11:24.880 --> 00:11:27.880 order thank you through you mayor I 00:11:28.120 --> 00:11:29.615 have a couple of 00:11:29.639 --> 00:11:32.639 Corrections in the rationale for why 00:11:33.399 --> 00:11:35.296 this motion is illegal and I think it's 00:11:35.320 --> 00:11:36.815 important to note those Corrections 00:11:36.839 --> 00:11:38.296 that's not the way that we do it through 00:11:38.320 --> 00:11:39.815 I'm sorry counselor that's not the way 00:11:39.839 --> 00:11:41.456 that we do it through our code of 00:11:41.480 --> 00:11:43.336 meeting practice in our code of meeting 00:11:43.360 --> 00:11:45.615 practice a direction is given from 00:11:45.639 --> 00:11:47.336 the chair if the direction is not 00:11:47.360 --> 00:11:50.055 accepted it is then considered to be a 00:11:50.079 --> 00:11:52.696 dissenting motion and this is the way we 00:11:52.720 --> 00:11:55.456 do it thank you councelor 00:11:55.480 --> 00:11:57.336 rice 00:11:57.360 --> 00:12:00.360 no we do get to to 00:12:00.560 --> 00:12:03.560 vote no no there is no second for a 00:12:04.040 --> 00:12:07.040 disent motion of 00:12:07.600 --> 00:12:09.736 descent may I 00:12:09.760 --> 00:12:12.336 begin carry on I put the open letter 00:12:12.360 --> 00:12:14.576 forward for consideration because I felt 00:12:14.600 --> 00:12:16.536 it hadn't been thoughtfully considered 00:12:16.560 --> 00:12:19.175 enough the original motion was not in my 00:12:19.199 --> 00:12:21.495 words because it was an impassioned plea 00:12:21.519 --> 00:12:24.336 from the community I took the CEO's 00:12:24.360 --> 00:12:26.375 advice into account and this morning all 00:12:26.399 --> 00:12:29.296 counselors saw my desired Amendment I do 00:12:29.320 --> 00:12:31.296 not accept it as illegal because it 00:12:31.320 --> 00:12:33.615 respects the tender being over and it 00:12:33.639 --> 00:12:35.935 echoes the concerns about social license 00:12:35.959 --> 00:12:38.456 that the open letter addresses its 00:12:38.480 --> 00:12:41.480 content has not been previously achieved 00:12:41.760 --> 00:12:43.416 by reviewing council's Community 00:12:43.440 --> 00:12:45.175 engagement light could be shown on 00:12:45.199 --> 00:12:47.495 council's Effectiveness in understanding 00:12:47.519 --> 00:12:50.096 Community interests and aspirations and 00:12:50.120 --> 00:12:51.736 whether the community were brought along 00:12:51.760 --> 00:12:53.255 with Council in this 00:12:53.279 --> 00:12:56.136 decision many details of the agenda item 00:12:56.160 --> 00:12:59.160 8.1 report are informative but it 00:12:59.399 --> 00:13:01.456 inappropriately attributes incorrect 00:13:01.480 --> 00:13:04.480 motivations for the authors and myself I 00:13:04.560 --> 00:13:06.856 have asked the CEO to apologize for the 00:13:06.880 --> 00:13:08.856 comments judging my motivation 00:13:08.880 --> 00:13:10.615 performance and 00:13:10.639 --> 00:13:13.495 character in that report the CEO refers 00:13:13.519 --> 00:13:16.495 to democracy as being how Community 00:13:16.519 --> 00:13:18.495 expectations will eventuate through the 00:13:18.519 --> 00:13:21.216 work of the candidates they elect the 00:13:21.240 --> 00:13:23.416 results of the 2021 local government 00:13:23.440 --> 00:13:26.016 election show that 27% of the electorate 00:13:26.040 --> 00:13:29.040 voted green 177% voted lab and 133% 00:13:29.920 --> 00:13:32.055 voted for the safe ker 00:13:32.079 --> 00:13:34.976 Independence together that makes 57% of 00:13:35.000 --> 00:13:37.536 the population who perhaps unwittingly 00:13:37.560 --> 00:13:39.375 voted for groups with a preference for 00:13:39.399 --> 00:13:41.815 maintaining Community assets 00:13:41.839 --> 00:13:43.615 consequently most councilors were 00:13:43.639 --> 00:13:46.495 elected from those groups however when 00:13:46.519 --> 00:13:48.696 voting on Blue Haven in Council meetings 00:13:48.720 --> 00:13:51.416 the expected pattern of voting didn't 00:13:51.440 --> 00:13:53.896 eventuate once Council had determined 00:13:53.920 --> 00:13:55.656 that dramatic Financial change was 00:13:55.680 --> 00:13:57.815 necessary the community should have been 00:13:57.839 --> 00:13:59.656 consulted to teach SE out their thoughts 00:13:59.680 --> 00:14:02.416 on the Blue Haven business the intention 00:14:02.440 --> 00:14:04.416 seemed evident when a fact sheet on Blue 00:14:04.440 --> 00:14:07.216 Haven was available during Council CSP 00:14:07.240 --> 00:14:09.656 consultation but that was the end of it 00:14:09.680 --> 00:14:11.576 the first motion to sell Blue Haven 00:14:11.600 --> 00:14:13.896 emerged two weeks before the CSP 00:14:13.920 --> 00:14:16.920 responses became available to counselors 00:14:17.240 --> 00:14:19.856 for economic reasons alone that motion 00:14:19.880 --> 00:14:21.856 had recommended the sale of Blue Haven 00:14:21.880 --> 00:14:24.255 in entirety it was approved by 00:14:24.279 --> 00:14:25.735 councilors before there was any 00:14:25.759 --> 00:14:28.255 knowledge of community opinion so social 00:14:28.279 --> 00:14:31.255 license was never considered it is 00:14:31.279 --> 00:14:32.896 acknowledged that in Australia there is 00:14:32.920 --> 00:14:35.536 barely 45% trust in local government 00:14:35.560 --> 00:14:37.976 Council rice i' just ask you be careful 00:14:38.000 --> 00:14:40.016 about breaching confidentiality because 00:14:40.040 --> 00:14:42.456 there are parts of what you're saying 00:14:42.480 --> 00:14:44.296 that may be in the confidential report 00:14:44.320 --> 00:14:46.976 so can I ask you to be just wary of that 00:14:47.000 --> 00:14:49.175 yes I hope we've paused the clock yep 00:14:49.199 --> 00:14:52.199 thank you greater trust in councils can 00:14:52.360 --> 00:14:54.096 be achieved through adequate Community 00:14:54.120 --> 00:14:56.055 engagement in decisionmaking and the 00:14:56.079 --> 00:14:57.935 presence of robust budgeting and 00:14:57.959 --> 00:15:00.896 management of public finances Kus 00:15:00.920 --> 00:15:02.815 struggles with both Financial errors 00:15:02.839 --> 00:15:04.615 have come to light and much has been 00:15:04.639 --> 00:15:06.656 kept confidential too much 00:15:06.680 --> 00:15:08.456 confidentiality doesn't engender 00:15:08.480 --> 00:15:10.856 Community Trust and is inconsistent with 00:15:10.880 --> 00:15:13.880 council's pillar five CSP strategy that 00:15:14.120 --> 00:15:16.055 Council will communicate openly and 00:15:16.079 --> 00:15:17.976 honestly with the community to build a 00:15:18.000 --> 00:15:19.856 relationship based on 00:15:19.880 --> 00:15:22.136 transparency understanding trust and 00:15:22.160 --> 00:15:24.656 respect whether Council should asse 00:15:24.680 --> 00:15:26.656 cons community support for its Blue 00:15:26.680 --> 00:15:29.680 Haven decisions hasn't been tested 00:15:29.759 --> 00:15:32.536 social justice principles underly K's 00:15:32.560 --> 00:15:34.696 entire integrated planning and Reporting 00:15:34.720 --> 00:15:37.375 framework of these the equity principle 00:15:37.399 --> 00:15:39.375 makes it clear that everyone should have 00:15:39.399 --> 00:15:41.815 Fair opportunity to participate in the 00:15:41.839 --> 00:15:44.375 future of the community but in relation 00:15:44.399 --> 00:15:46.416 to the sale of Blue Haven the community 00:15:46.440 --> 00:15:48.776 have been denied a fair opportunity to 00:15:48.800 --> 00:15:51.216 participate when considering the sale of 00:15:51.240 --> 00:15:54.175 Blue Haven despite recision motions the 00:15:54.199 --> 00:15:56.935 community engagement directions endured 00:15:56.959 --> 00:15:59.615 a community consultation was required 00:15:59.639 --> 00:16:01.735 which included Blue Haven staff and 00:16:01.759 --> 00:16:04.175 residents but what happened instead was 00:16:04.199 --> 00:16:06.175 that Blue Haven staff and residents were 00:16:06.199 --> 00:16:08.295 included and the general Community 00:16:08.319 --> 00:16:10.136 excluded from any 00:16:10.160 --> 00:16:12.216 consultation finally when the community 00:16:12.240 --> 00:16:14.136 was legally required to have its say 00:16:14.160 --> 00:16:16.656 during the reclassification process it 00:16:16.680 --> 00:16:18.856 was far too late to change the multiple 00:16:18.880 --> 00:16:20.295 Improvement strategies that were 00:16:20.319 --> 00:16:22.856 underpinned by the sale of Blue Haven 00:16:22.880 --> 00:16:24.656 and there was no place for the community 00:16:24.680 --> 00:16:27.016 to contribute suggestions for financial 00:16:27.040 --> 00:16:29.416 stability in a for that responded to 00:16:29.440 --> 00:16:32.295 planning legislation only the vast 00:16:32.319 --> 00:16:34.136 majority of speakers and submissions 00:16:34.160 --> 00:16:36.576 opposed reclassification for sale but 00:16:36.600 --> 00:16:38.175 there was little evidence that their 00:16:38.199 --> 00:16:40.696 views were considered so why does 00:16:40.720 --> 00:16:42.856 council feel it has a social license for 00:16:42.880 --> 00:16:45.856 the sale Kaa has functioned as a caring 00:16:45.880 --> 00:16:48.096 culture and consultative culture for 00:16:48.120 --> 00:16:50.856 many years this has been the norm of 00:16:50.880 --> 00:16:53.576 this community the community has not 00:16:53.600 --> 00:16:56.016 been openly consulted about introducing 00:16:56.040 --> 00:16:58.416 such great cultural change because 00:16:58.440 --> 00:17:00.416 because the divestment intention has 00:17:00.440 --> 00:17:03.136 been economically driven from the top 00:17:03.160 --> 00:17:05.976 down the community has been persistently 00:17:06.000 --> 00:17:08.256 held at Bay with multiple background 00:17:08.280 --> 00:17:10.976 reports remaining confidential and 00:17:11.000 --> 00:17:13.376 inaccessible Council has assed the 00:17:13.400 --> 00:17:15.216 trust of the community throughout this 00:17:15.240 --> 00:17:17.815 process yet this has never been ground 00:17:17.839 --> 00:17:20.456 truthed through properly representative 00:17:20.480 --> 00:17:21.456 cons 00:17:21.480 --> 00:17:24.480 consultation perfect five minutes thank 00:17:27.400 --> 00:17:30.400 you 00:17:31.240 --> 00:17:34.056 my ruling and I I still didn't see a 00:17:34.080 --> 00:17:35.616 motion come out of that thank you 00:17:35.640 --> 00:17:38.535 counselor my ruling is that no lawfully 00:17:38.559 --> 00:17:41.096 enforcable or meaningful motion is 00:17:41.120 --> 00:17:43.655 possible for this letter to be 00:17:43.679 --> 00:17:46.679 crafted into a notice of motion so far 00:17:46.799 --> 00:17:48.616 three iterations have been attempted 00:17:48.640 --> 00:17:51.176 without success nber one called for a 00:17:51.200 --> 00:17:54.200 pause in the process the tender in the 00:17:54.360 --> 00:17:56.256 eyes of the Local Government Act cannot 00:17:56.280 --> 00:17:59.280 be paused and this aspect is is 00:17:59.919 --> 00:18:02.895 unlawful iteration nber two called for 00:18:02.919 --> 00:18:05.895 the process to be carried on which is a 00:18:05.919 --> 00:18:08.856 direct negative to the first iteration 00:18:08.880 --> 00:18:11.096 which was also not permitted in our code 00:18:11.120 --> 00:18:12.696 of conduct as it is 00:18:12.720 --> 00:18:15.720 unlawful the third seeks to complete the 00:18:16.120 --> 00:18:18.056 tender and this is the one that 00:18:18.080 --> 00:18:20.096 councilor R spoke of this 00:18:20.120 --> 00:18:23.120 morning to complete the tender then to 00:18:23.320 --> 00:18:24.936 pause it so there's a bit of two Bob 00:18:24.960 --> 00:18:27.376 each way in this one while we ask the 00:18:27.400 --> 00:18:30.400 minister to provide a review which he 00:18:30.440 --> 00:18:32.895 has just completed in the Raina report 00:18:32.919 --> 00:18:34.775 to investigate Kimber council's 00:18:34.799 --> 00:18:37.799 attention to community engagement please 00:18:37.960 --> 00:18:40.960 be quiet in the 00:18:41.520 --> 00:18:44.135 gallery who said 00:18:44.159 --> 00:18:47.015 that thank 00:18:47.039 --> 00:18:50.039 you the Raina 00:18:50.280 --> 00:18:53.280 report which was used by the minister 00:18:55.440 --> 00:18:57.856 to clarify the whole situ in situation 00:18:57.880 --> 00:19:00.880 in his mind of Blue Haven and Blue Haven 00:19:01.400 --> 00:19:03.376 berera in 00:19:03.400 --> 00:19:06.336 particular 00:19:06.360 --> 00:19:09.360 we are being asked by this letter and 00:19:10.080 --> 00:19:12.816 by the third iteration was of 00:19:12.840 --> 00:19:15.840 councilor rice to go back two years 00:19:17.320 --> 00:19:18.856 and 00:19:18.880 --> 00:19:21.880 provide the whole reporting framework 00:19:23.559 --> 00:19:25.696 that we have put together now that 00:19:25.720 --> 00:19:28.720 includes 62 reports on Blue Haven 00:19:29.000 --> 00:19:31.256 35 reports on 00:19:31.280 --> 00:19:34.280 financial 24 there is no point of 00:19:34.320 --> 00:19:36.696 you're misrepresenting me say 00:19:36.720 --> 00:19:39.216 again it's an act of disorder to 00:19:39.240 --> 00:19:41.216 interrupt the speaker it it it is an act 00:19:41.240 --> 00:19:43.015 of disorder to disrupt and I'd ask you 00:19:43.039 --> 00:19:44.216 to 00:19:44.240 --> 00:19:47.240 withdraw also disorder it's an active 00:19:47.600 --> 00:19:50.456 disorder to to Y from the gallery look 00:19:50.480 --> 00:19:51.655 whether you guys like it or not I'm 00:19:51.679 --> 00:19:54.655 going to finish this we don't like it 00:19:54.679 --> 00:19:56.655 I know you don't like it essentially we 00:19:56.679 --> 00:19:59.456 must ignore the 62 reports on Blue Haven 00:19:59.480 --> 00:20:02.480 35 reports on financial matters 24 00:20:03.080 --> 00:20:05.216 investment reports 20 briefings to 00:20:05.240 --> 00:20:08.015 councils council is 17 workshops 00:20:08.039 --> 00:20:11.039 primarily focusing on finance Blue Haven 00:20:12.120 --> 00:20:14.576 and risk matters address the pages of 00:20:14.600 --> 00:20:16.535 the newspaper colns covered in Blue 00:20:16.559 --> 00:20:18.936 Haven stories reports and conversations 00:20:18.960 --> 00:20:21.056 in woolies and nerous public meetings 00:20:21.080 --> 00:20:23.176 with Blue Haven residents to see if 00:20:23.200 --> 00:20:25.856 we've let people know and they 00:20:25.880 --> 00:20:27.655 understand what is the process and 00:20:27.679 --> 00:20:29.496 what's happening and get their opinions 00:20:29.520 --> 00:20:30.576 on Blue 00:20:30.600 --> 00:20:33.600 Haven all three of these motions have no 00:20:33.919 --> 00:20:36.919 allocation for funding which also is 00:20:37.640 --> 00:20:39.496 unlawful 00:20:39.520 --> 00:20:42.520 lastly while the call for all of this is 00:20:42.919 --> 00:20:44.895 embedded within a letter written by two 00:20:44.919 --> 00:20:47.775 members of our LGA the council is 00:20:47.799 --> 00:20:49.376 elected 00:20:49.400 --> 00:20:51.895 representatives it has a mandate to make 00:20:51.919 --> 00:20:53.655 decisions on behalf of all of the 00:20:53.679 --> 00:20:55.936 community even if these decisions are 00:20:55.960 --> 00:20:58.960 not universally popular or whether these 00:20:59.159 --> 00:21:01.856 univers these decisions are 00:21:01.880 --> 00:21:04.616 understood by all constituents we have a 00:21:04.640 --> 00:21:07.056 mandate to do that and while it's 00:21:07.080 --> 00:21:09.736 important to acknowledge all voices it's 00:21:09.760 --> 00:21:12.736 equally crucial to focus on the tangible 00:21:12.760 --> 00:21:15.760 and planned outcomes of council's work 00:21:15.880 --> 00:21:18.655 and that it is and that is legitimate 00:21:18.679 --> 00:21:20.736 motions that are working towards 00:21:20.760 --> 00:21:23.696 Financial stability putting this motion 00:21:23.720 --> 00:21:26.720 will not achieve that I finished my 00:21:26.760 --> 00:21:28.816 presentation and I now put it to the 00:21:28.840 --> 00:21:31.655 vote does my point of order stand those 00:21:31.679 --> 00:21:34.679 in favor sorry my procedural motion to 00:21:35.279 --> 00:21:38.279 present the the docent as a as 00:21:38.480 --> 00:21:40.096 as we would a petition or another 00:21:40.120 --> 00:21:42.895 docent all those so it's the motion of 00:21:42.919 --> 00:21:45.919 descent sorry it's a sorry my motion of 00:21:46.000 --> 00:21:49.000 descent the idea is that my 00:21:50.679 --> 00:21:53.679 ruling is either accepted or Not by the 00:21:55.000 --> 00:21:57.775 council my ruling is accepted or Not by 00:21:57.799 --> 00:21:59.655 the Council all those in favor of 00:21:59.679 --> 00:22:01.616 accepting my 00:22:01.640 --> 00:22:04.056 ruling all those 00:22:04.080 --> 00:22:07.080 against the ruling is carried thank 00:22:11.159 --> 00:22:14.056 you at this point in the order we have 00:22:14.080 --> 00:22:17.080 to go into closed 00:22:18.600 --> 00:22:21.600 committee 00:22:22.400 --> 00:22:25.400 May that's an act of disorder I'm sorry 00:22:26.039 --> 00:22:28.456 can we clear the court please 00:22:28.480 --> 00:22:29.216 can 00:22:29.240 --> 00:22:32.240 we can we play the gallery thank you 00:22:32.480 --> 00:22:35.456 everybody Public Access is is over 00:22:35.480 --> 00:22:38.480 and 00:22:41.760 --> 00:22:44.416 you're CEO could I ask you to please 00:22:44.440 --> 00:22:46.576 call the police and ex extract these 00:22:46.600 --> 00:22:49.600 people from our 00:22:51.080 --> 00:22:54.080 Gallery I hereby suspend thank these 00:22:55.360 --> 00:22:57.416 these proceedings until such time as the 00:22:57.440 --> 00:23:00.440 gallery is cleared for 00:23:04.200 --> 00:23:07.200 confidential I now declare the U 00:23:07.760 --> 00:23:09.936 extraordinary meeting of Kima Council on 00:23:09.960 --> 00:23:12.176 the 1st of February to be 00:23:12.200 --> 00:23:14.376 reconvened we suspended things 00:23:14.400 --> 00:23:16.856 because we had some industrial action 00:23:16.880 --> 00:23:19.880 Happening Here it's now settled now 00:23:20.279 --> 00:23:23.279 we were about to enter into 00:23:24.720 --> 00:23:27.720 confidentially closed committee can I 00:23:28.039 --> 00:23:30.456 have a motion to go into close committee 00:23:30.480 --> 00:23:32.216 thank you councelor steel and councelor 00:23:32.240 --> 00:23:34.895 draer all those in 00:23:34.919 --> 00:23:36.496 favor 00:23:36.520 --> 00:23:39.520 carried 00:23:40.679 --> 00:23:43.679 councilors we are live and I would 00:23:44.480 --> 00:23:47.255 ask Council to resolve and confirm to 00:23:47.279 --> 00:23:49.056 adopt the recommendations made during 00:23:49.080 --> 00:23:51.255 the confidential Committee of the H as 00:23:51.279 --> 00:23:54.279 reported by the chief executive 00:23:54.880 --> 00:23:57.880 officer thank you Mr Mayor this evening 00:23:58.000 --> 00:24:00.216 during confidential session Council 00:24:00.240 --> 00:24:03.176 discussed item 9.1 the tender for Blue 00:24:03.200 --> 00:24:04.535 Haven banera 00:24:04.559 --> 00:24:06.655 divestment I'll Now read out the 00:24:06.679 --> 00:24:09.096 resolution that Council resolved Council 00:24:09.120 --> 00:24:12.015 resolved that one it receives that by 00:24:12.039 --> 00:24:14.736 rft process request for tender Blue 00:24:14.760 --> 00:24:16.535 Haven November 00:24:16.559 --> 00:24:19.559 2023 rft Council invited Tenders in 00:24:19.760 --> 00:24:21.655 relation to the sale of its age care 00:24:21.679 --> 00:24:24.056 business known as Blue Haven banera 00:24:24.080 --> 00:24:27.080 located at 14a banera Street Cay New 00:24:27.159 --> 00:24:28.576 South Wales 00:24:28.600 --> 00:24:31.176 2533 together with relevant assets used 00:24:31.200 --> 00:24:34.200 to conduct the business and the land two 00:24:34.960 --> 00:24:36.816 receives the confidential report in 00:24:36.840 --> 00:24:39.336 relation to the rft tender Blue Haven 00:24:39.360 --> 00:24:42.216 banera divestment confidential report 00:24:42.240 --> 00:24:45.176 three receives that the rft did not 00:24:45.200 --> 00:24:47.895 include council's community Transport 00:24:47.919 --> 00:24:49.936 operations due to issues raised by 00:24:49.960 --> 00:24:52.960 transport for New South Wales 00:24:54.279 --> 00:24:57.279 tfnsw four declines to accept any of the 00:24:57.799 --> 00:25:00.176 attenders submitted in response to the 00:25:00.200 --> 00:25:03.200 rft five for the purpose of section 1783 00:25:04.480 --> 00:25:07.176 e of the local government General 00:25:07.200 --> 00:25:09.696 regulation 2021 local government 00:25:09.720 --> 00:25:12.720 regulation resolves to enter into direct 00:25:12.760 --> 00:25:15.296 negotiations with the preferred tenderer 00:25:15.320 --> 00:25:17.535 identified in the confidential report in 00:25:17.559 --> 00:25:19.696 the manner described in the confidential 00:25:19.720 --> 00:25:22.720 report six notes that the reason for 00:25:22.880 --> 00:25:25.096 Council determining to enter into direct 00:25:25.120 --> 00:25:27.816 negotiations with the preferred tenderer 00:25:27.840 --> 00:25:29.655 is that council is satisfied that the 00:25:29.679 --> 00:25:31.976 preferred tenderer would be capable of 00:25:32.000 --> 00:25:34.416 meeting the requirements set out in the 00:25:34.440 --> 00:25:37.440 rft and 7 accepts that the reason for 00:25:37.720 --> 00:25:39.775 Council declining to invite fresh 00:25:39.799 --> 00:25:42.255 tenders or applications under Section 00:25:42.279 --> 00:25:45.279 178 3B and D are a it is not expected 00:25:47.200 --> 00:25:49.015 that further Market testing will provide 00:25:49.039 --> 00:25:51.976 a more satisfactory result B despite 00:25:52.000 --> 00:25:54.216 none of the tenders being capable of 00:25:54.240 --> 00:25:57.176 acceptance at the end of the rft pro at 00:25:57.200 --> 00:25:59.976 at the rft tender Council considers that 00:26:00.000 --> 00:26:01.936 there are reasonable prospects of 00:26:01.960 --> 00:26:03.816 achieving an advantageous outcome 00:26:03.840 --> 00:26:05.616 through direct negotiations with the 00:26:05.640 --> 00:26:08.416 preferred tenderers C inviting fresh 00:26:08.440 --> 00:26:10.176 tenders would delay the sale with 00:26:10.200 --> 00:26:12.736 potentially adverse consequences for the 00:26:12.760 --> 00:26:15.655 organization eight authorizes the chief 00:26:15.679 --> 00:26:17.895 executive officer to directly negotiate 00:26:17.919 --> 00:26:19.816 with the preferred tenderers in the 00:26:19.840 --> 00:26:21.616 manner described in the confidential 00:26:21.640 --> 00:26:23.576 report for the purposes of entering into 00:26:23.600 --> 00:26:26.096 an agreement to sell council's age care 00:26:26.120 --> 00:26:29.120 business known as blue berera nine 00:26:29.720 --> 00:26:31.816 directs the chief executive officer to 00:26:31.840 --> 00:26:34.416 table any draft contract arising from 00:26:34.440 --> 00:26:37.015 direct negotiations with either of the 00:26:37.039 --> 00:26:39.216 preferred tenderers before Council for 00:26:39.240 --> 00:26:41.616 resolution prior to contract 00:26:41.640 --> 00:26:44.296 execution 10 resolves that because of 00:26:44.320 --> 00:26:47.320 extenuating circstances a satisfactory 00:26:47.360 --> 00:26:49.176 result would not be achieved by inviting 00:26:49.200 --> 00:26:50.816 tenders for the sale of council's 00:26:50.840 --> 00:26:53.416 community Transport operations related 00:26:53.440 --> 00:26:56.296 to Blue Haven berera and notes that the 00:26:56.320 --> 00:26:58.015 reasons for forming that view view are 00:26:58.039 --> 00:27:00.096 that a fresh open tender process would 00:27:00.120 --> 00:27:02.336 be difficult to conduct where transport 00:27:02.360 --> 00:27:04.736 for New South Wales requires direct 00:27:04.760 --> 00:27:07.616 involvement 11 authorizes the chief 00:27:07.640 --> 00:27:10.096 executive officer under Section 00:27:10.120 --> 00:27:13.120 553 I of the Local Government Act to a 00:27:13.480 --> 00:27:15.135 directly negotiate with the parties 00:27:15.159 --> 00:27:17.336 listed in the confidential report for 00:27:17.360 --> 00:27:18.856 the purposes of entering into an 00:27:18.880 --> 00:27:20.456 agreement to sell the council's 00:27:20.480 --> 00:27:22.655 community Transport operations related 00:27:22.679 --> 00:27:25.679 to the Blue Haven banera and B execute 00:27:25.919 --> 00:27:28.375 any agreement arising from the those 00:27:28.399 --> 00:27:31.375 direct negotiations thank you and I will 00:27:31.399 --> 00:27:34.399 put the motion that we resolved that 00:27:34.559 --> 00:27:36.696 the confidential Committee of the whole 00:27:36.720 --> 00:27:39.096 representations be confirmed and 00:27:39.120 --> 00:27:41.535 adopted go a second for that Council 00:27:41.559 --> 00:27:44.559 Brown all those in 00:27:45.039 --> 00:27:46.696 favor 00:27:46.720 --> 00:27:49.720 and sorry all those in favor of having 00:27:51.039 --> 00:27:53.176 may please just before you conclude the 00:27:53.200 --> 00:27:54.856 vote I've missed one recommendation 00:27:54.880 --> 00:27:56.416 we've missed a recommendation that's why 00:27:56.440 --> 00:27:59.135 you're holding off I know my apologies 00:27:59.159 --> 00:28:01.216 councilors I missed an amendment that 00:28:01.240 --> 00:28:03.696 was agreed during the resolution that 00:28:03.720 --> 00:28:06.720 Amendment relates to item item eight 00:28:08.080 --> 00:28:09.895 item eight now reads and I'll read it 00:28:09.919 --> 00:28:11.936 from the start authorizes the chief 00:28:11.960 --> 00:28:14.255 executive officer to directly negotiate 00:28:14.279 --> 00:28:15.736 with the preferred tenderers in the 00:28:15.760 --> 00:28:17.456 manner described in the confidential 00:28:17.480 --> 00:28:19.576 report for the purposes of entering into 00:28:19.600 --> 00:28:21.856 an agreement to sell council's blue to 00:28:21.880 --> 00:28:24.015 sell council's age care business known 00:28:24.039 --> 00:28:27.039 as Blue Haven banera it now includes B 00:28:28.000 --> 00:28:29.696 ensuring in accordance with the fairw 00:28:29.720 --> 00:28:32.720 work act 2009 that for a period of 5 00:28:32.840 --> 00:28:34.456 years the current terms and conditions 00:28:34.480 --> 00:28:36.775 of employment be transferred to the 00:28:36.799 --> 00:28:38.895 employment of the transferring employees 00:28:38.919 --> 00:28:40.375 with the new 00:28:40.399 --> 00:28:43.255 employer thank you once again I will 00:28:43.279 --> 00:28:46.279 call U I will move that it's resolved 00:28:48.360 --> 00:28:49.736 that the confidential Committee of the 00:28:49.760 --> 00:28:52.760 whole recommendations be confirmed and 00:28:52.840 --> 00:28:55.840 adopted all those in favor and Council 00:28:56.159 --> 00:28:59.159 Brown seconded that thank 00:28:59.840 --> 00:29:02.840 you that concludes the no it does not 00:29:05.200 --> 00:29:08.096 we have can I please have a motion to 00:29:08.120 --> 00:29:09.416 bring forward and deal with the 00:29:09.440 --> 00:29:12.440 supplementary items S one noted 00:29:12.640 --> 00:29:14.616 intention to VAR performance Improvement 00:29:14.640 --> 00:29:17.640 order councelor steel and councelor lens 00:29:17.799 --> 00:29:19.495 all those in 00:29:19.519 --> 00:29:22.519 favor we have just received this and 00:29:22.760 --> 00:29:25.655 I would like gay motion to note those 00:29:25.679 --> 00:29:28.015 those docents Council br move to note 00:29:28.039 --> 00:29:30.416 yes and councilor croxford do you 00:29:30.440 --> 00:29:31.976 wish to speak to it Council Brown 00:29:32.000 --> 00:29:35.000 Council croxford no other speakers 00:29:35.720 --> 00:29:38.096 yes councelor Ren Kim Lang yes I I 00:29:38.120 --> 00:29:40.255 would like to speak to it the 00:29:40.279 --> 00:29:43.279 performance Improvement order if I 00:29:44.320 --> 00:29:47.320 may thank you mayor I'm I'm pleased to 00:29:47.799 --> 00:29:49.456 receive this notice of proposed 00:29:49.480 --> 00:29:51.495 performance Improvement order it's 00:29:51.519 --> 00:29:53.056 something that we should embrace and act 00:29:53.080 --> 00:29:55.375 on it's a timely reminder that we need 00:29:55.399 --> 00:29:57.736 to learn from past mistakes to make sure 00:29:57.760 --> 00:29:59.736 that we are not making the same mistakes 00:29:59.760 --> 00:30:02.760 of in the past of the past and change 00:30:03.440 --> 00:30:05.856 our Behavior to act responsibly with 00:30:05.880 --> 00:30:08.216 regard to our government governance 00:30:08.240 --> 00:30:09.936 responsibilities under the Local 00:30:09.960 --> 00:30:12.336 Government Act to make sure that the 00:30:12.360 --> 00:30:14.696 community is listened to understood and 00:30:14.720 --> 00:30:16.375 we act in the best interest and all 00:30:16.399 --> 00:30:18.535 cohorts of the community particularly 00:30:18.559 --> 00:30:21.096 the most vulnerable to verify that we 00:30:21.120 --> 00:30:23.816 have the most accurate and relevant 00:30:23.840 --> 00:30:26.375 information that information is provided 00:30:26.399 --> 00:30:28.416 to us well in advance of having to make 00:30:28.440 --> 00:30:30.775 important decisions to make sure that 00:30:30.799 --> 00:30:33.015 each counselor is treated respectfully 00:30:33.039 --> 00:30:35.296 listened to and the views are considered 00:30:35.320 --> 00:30:37.535 and debated equally this is what leads 00:30:37.559 --> 00:30:39.895 to better decision making I would like 00:30:39.919 --> 00:30:42.135 it on the record that the pi includes 00:30:42.159 --> 00:30:44.255 several actions that are in alignment 00:30:44.279 --> 00:30:47.279 with motions I have attempted to pass be 00:30:47.760 --> 00:30:50.760 passed by Council in the last year just 00:30:51.320 --> 00:30:54.320 three of those motions are April 2023 00:30:55.120 --> 00:30:58.120 13.1 counselor we do not record all of 00:30:58.760 --> 00:31:01.576 those things that you've said we either 00:31:01.600 --> 00:31:03.375 you vote for it or you vote against it 00:31:03.399 --> 00:31:05.576 and that's recorded but whether you put 00:31:05.600 --> 00:31:08.456 it up and the the minister had the 00:31:08.480 --> 00:31:11.015 the perspicacity to bring it forward and 00:31:11.039 --> 00:31:13.576 put it into these ones is I would I 00:31:13.600 --> 00:31:15.255 would just like it on the record to show 00:31:15.279 --> 00:31:18.279 that I am 00:31:22.399 --> 00:31:25.399 responsible so you've had stand up carry 00:31:25.799 --> 00:31:28.799 on you know thank you I would just 00:31:29.240 --> 00:31:32.240 like to demonstrate that I 00:31:33.200 --> 00:31:36.200 sorry no I cannot put the motion 00:31:36.399 --> 00:31:37.895 because we haven't had two speakers in 00:31:37.919 --> 00:31:40.216 favor and against so I cannot put the 00:31:40.240 --> 00:31:43.240 motion nobody wanted to 00:31:43.559 --> 00:31:46.336 speak I I am just wanting the 00:31:46.360 --> 00:31:48.096 opportunity to have on the public record 00:31:48.120 --> 00:31:49.936 and demonstrate that I've taken this 00:31:49.960 --> 00:31:52.615 seriously I have tried to put several 00:31:52.639 --> 00:31:55.639 motions forward in 2023 and if I 00:31:57.320 --> 00:32:00.320 have the opportunity to read them out i' 00:32:00.360 --> 00:32:02.816 rather you didn't counsel it we can go 00:32:02.840 --> 00:32:04.096 back and we can have a look the other 00:32:04.120 --> 00:32:06.895 thing is and I'm sorry to interrupt you 00:32:06.919 --> 00:32:09.919 and councelor brown but part of those 00:32:10.720 --> 00:32:12.775 performance Improvement orders talks 00:32:12.799 --> 00:32:15.799 about the way we make decisions and how 00:32:15.960 --> 00:32:17.976 we allow those decisions to drag on and 00:32:18.000 --> 00:32:19.696 on and on and on and on before we make 00:32:19.720 --> 00:32:22.216 them and we keep talking about them and 00:32:22.240 --> 00:32:24.535 it it it it shows me that there's 00:32:24.559 --> 00:32:26.015 dysfunction if you just want to sit back 00:32:26.039 --> 00:32:29.039 and read all motions that you've put so 00:32:29.600 --> 00:32:31.696 look I take it that you've probably had 00:32:31.720 --> 00:32:33.736 a bit of forethought about this and you 00:32:33.760 --> 00:32:35.775 you've you've done some good work with 00:32:35.799 --> 00:32:38.799 with regard to this Council but 00:32:40.480 --> 00:32:43.176 now we have to move on and we have to be 00:32:43.200 --> 00:32:46.200 quick I move a motion of 00:32:48.240 --> 00:32:51.240 descent yes counselor your motion of 00:32:52.919 --> 00:32:55.919 descent I as a matter of fact counselor 00:32:56.360 --> 00:32:58.495 it's not a motion of dissent I see it as 00:32:58.519 --> 00:33:01.255 a motion of disorder and I'd ask you to 00:33:01.279 --> 00:33:03.216 withdraw that motion of dissent and 00:33:03.240 --> 00:33:05.615 apologize to the 00:33:05.639 --> 00:33:08.296 counselors I disagree I don't see it as 00:33:08.320 --> 00:33:11.320 a motion of disorder counselor it is a 00:33:11.720 --> 00:33:14.720 motion of disorder and I ask you to 00:33:14.880 --> 00:33:17.880 either withdraw this and apologize to 00:33:18.720 --> 00:33:21.720 the counselors or or leave this 00:33:23.120 --> 00:33:26.120 meeting May through you I will leave 00:33:27.039 --> 00:33:30.039 the 00:33:37.760 --> 00:33:39.615 meeting May now can I move that the 00:33:39.639 --> 00:33:42.615 motion be 00:33:42.639 --> 00:33:45.639 put yeah I now put the motion all 00:33:47.279 --> 00:33:49.976 those in favor say I 00:33:50.000 --> 00:33:52.856 so I'll tell you what we're doing and I 00:33:52.880 --> 00:33:55.255 know it's very hard for some of you and 00:33:55.279 --> 00:33:57.135 some have only been here soon you 00:33:57.159 --> 00:34:00.159 know for a short time once we have a 00:34:00.240 --> 00:34:01.615 committee of the 00:34:01.639 --> 00:34:03.895 whole things are a little bit looser we 00:34:03.919 --> 00:34:05.976 can talk for more time we can you know 00:34:06.000 --> 00:34:08.296 we can do a few things we can talk more 00:34:08.320 --> 00:34:10.375 than once then once we come out of 00:34:10.399 --> 00:34:11.496 Committee of the 00:34:11.520 --> 00:34:14.016 whole that those motions are only 00:34:14.040 --> 00:34:16.055 decided in that particular committee we 00:34:16.079 --> 00:34:19.055 then move into the ordinary meeting and 00:34:19.079 --> 00:34:21.055 with the ordinary Meeting those 00:34:21.079 --> 00:34:24.079 decisions made are then ratified and 00:34:24.240 --> 00:34:26.456 that was to ratify those motions for 00:34:26.480 --> 00:34:28.296 that that that previous area and it 00:34:28.320 --> 00:34:30.335 seemed to be lost on a lot of people now 00:34:30.359 --> 00:34:33.359 this was a simple noting of 00:34:34.000 --> 00:34:35.375 docents that have been sent by the 00:34:35.399 --> 00:34:37.655 minister telling us to pull our socks up 00:34:37.679 --> 00:34:40.615 and to to sort of get on and fly 00:34:40.639 --> 00:34:43.639 right and what I saw there was a a 00:34:44.399 --> 00:34:46.815 bit of grandstanding and it finished up 00:34:46.839 --> 00:34:49.839 and I considered it to be a motion of 00:34:50.040 --> 00:34:53.040 dissent and and and I must say speaking 00:34:53.440 --> 00:34:56.440 over the the speaker is an act of 00:34:56.480 --> 00:34:57.416 disorder 00:34:57.440 --> 00:34:59.296 now we've had we've had a whole pile of 00:34:59.320 --> 00:35:01.976 interesting things happen tonight now 00:35:02.000 --> 00:35:05.000 the meeting's over thank 00:35:11.680 --> 00:35:14.680 you we voted only it's an information 00:35:16.400 --> 00:35:17.815 report so 00:35:17.839 --> 00:35:20.839 simply the meeting the meeting 00:35:20.880 --> 00:35:23.880 at f 10 minutes to 7 is 00:35:25.800 --> 00:35:28.800 closed