WEBVTT 00:00:00.240 --> 00:00:02.296 Okay, everyone. Welcome to the 00:00:02.320 --> 00:00:05.320 ordinary meeting of Kiama Council for this 00:00:05.600 --> 00:00:08.600 Tuesday, the 16th of September, 2025. 00:00:09.120 --> 00:00:11.655 Declare the meeting open at 5:00 p.m. 00:00:11.679 --> 00:00:13.096 Welcome everyone. Welcome to everyone 00:00:13.120 --> 00:00:14.775 who's watching on the the live stream 00:00:14.799 --> 00:00:16.936 and those who have attended in the 00:00:16.960 --> 00:00:19.656 gallery here today. I now declare 00:00:19.680 --> 00:00:21.496 this meeting open. Please be aware that 00:00:21.520 --> 00:00:23.335 this meeting is being live streamed and 00:00:23.359 --> 00:00:25.335 recorded. The recording will be made 00:00:25.359 --> 00:00:26.616 publicly available on the council 00:00:26.640 --> 00:00:28.136 website. Those attending the meeting 00:00:28.160 --> 00:00:29.736 should refrain from making defamatory 00:00:29.760 --> 00:00:31.976 statements. I'd like to acknowledge the 00:00:32.000 --> 00:00:33.656 traditional owners of the land on which 00:00:33.680 --> 00:00:35.816 we meet the Wodi Wodi people of the Dharawal 00:00:35.840 --> 00:00:38.136 Nation and pay my respects to Elders 00:00:38.160 --> 00:00:41.160 past, present, and emerging. 00:00:41.520 --> 00:00:42.936 Council is reminded of their oath or 00:00:42.960 --> 00:00:45.096 affirmations of office under section 233 00:00:45.120 --> 00:00:46.936 capital A of the act and their 00:00:46.960 --> 00:00:48.695 obligations under the code of conduct to 00:00:48.719 --> 00:00:50.776 disclose and appropriately manage any 00:00:50.800 --> 00:00:52.855 conflicts of interests. 00:00:52.879 --> 00:00:54.616 We don't have any apologies, but we do 00:00:54.640 --> 00:00:56.936 have a procedural motion. It's a request 00:00:56.960 --> 00:00:59.256 by it's resolved that council as 00:00:59.280 --> 00:01:01.416 required under section 5.25 of the code 00:01:01.440 --> 00:01:03.096 of meeting practice permit councelor 00:01:03.120 --> 00:01:05.656 Draisma to attend the meeting held on 00:01:05.680 --> 00:01:08.216 16th September 2025 via audio visual 00:01:08.240 --> 00:01:10.296 link as councelor Draisma has a sporting 00:01:10.320 --> 00:01:12.376 commitment in Wollongong. We got a move at 00:01:12.400 --> 00:01:13.976 councelor Larkins seconded councelor 00:01:14.000 --> 00:01:15.656 Brown. All those in favour raise your 00:01:15.680 --> 00:01:18.376 hands. All those against the motion's 00:01:18.400 --> 00:01:20.616 carried. 00:01:20.640 --> 00:01:23.640 So we're at item 6.1 ordinary council 00:01:24.880 --> 00:01:27.576 meeting of 19 August 2025. You have the 00:01:27.600 --> 00:01:29.016 recommendation before you with regards 00:01:29.040 --> 00:01:31.336 to the minutes. Can I have a mover? 00:01:31.360 --> 00:01:34.360 Councilor Larkins seconded Councelor Tatrai. 00:01:35.920 --> 00:01:38.296 No comment on that. I'll put the motion. 00:01:38.320 --> 00:01:40.856 All those in favour raise your hands. All 00:01:40.880 --> 00:01:43.880 those against the motions carried. 00:01:44.079 --> 00:01:46.216 Okay. We also has a resolution that 00:01:46.240 --> 00:01:49.176 council allows the media being the bugle 00:01:49.200 --> 00:01:50.936 to record the meeting in accordance with 00:01:50.960 --> 00:01:53.095 clause 15.23 of the code of meeting 00:01:53.119 --> 00:01:55.415 practice. Do I have a mover? Councelor 00:01:55.439 --> 00:01:57.576 Tatrai seconded councelor Brown. All 00:01:57.600 --> 00:02:00.055 those in favour raise your hands. All 00:02:00.079 --> 00:02:03.079 those against motion's carried. Okay, we 00:02:04.719 --> 00:02:06.936 have any business arising from the 00:02:06.960 --> 00:02:09.176 the minutes? 00:02:09.200 --> 00:02:11.736 No. So we're at item eight disclosures. 00:02:11.760 --> 00:02:13.096 Is there anyone wishing to declare an 00:02:13.120 --> 00:02:14.616 interest? Please stand up and read out 00:02:14.640 --> 00:02:15.976 your declaration and hand the 00:02:16.000 --> 00:02:18.855 declaration to the CEO. Do we have 00:02:18.879 --> 00:02:21.416 anyone declaring? 00:02:21.440 --> 00:02:22.855 No. We'll move on. Are there any 00:02:22.879 --> 00:02:24.616 documents to be tabled today in 00:02:24.640 --> 00:02:26.616 accordance with 00:02:26.640 --> 00:02:29.575 item nine? No. Okay. CEO, we're at item 00:02:29.599 --> 00:02:31.096 10. Can you please read out the summary 00:02:31.120 --> 00:02:33.176 of speakers for the public access forum 00:02:33.200 --> 00:02:34.136 yesterday? 00:02:34.160 --> 00:02:35.816 Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Last night, we 00:02:35.840 --> 00:02:38.616 heard from the following speakers. 00:02:38.640 --> 00:02:41.640 Michott speaking on item 15.2. Susan 00:02:43.040 --> 00:02:46.040 Edwards on 15.3, Natalie Allen and Ryan 00:02:46.480 --> 00:02:48.935 McBride on 17.3, 00:02:48.959 --> 00:02:51.959 Nathan Keenan on 20.1, and Steven 00:02:52.160 --> 00:02:55.160 Brazier on 20.2. 00:02:56.160 --> 00:02:59.160 Thank you, CEO. Okay, we're at item 00:02:59.680 --> 00:03:02.680 11.1. It's a Mayoral minute. It's the 00:03:03.360 --> 00:03:05.256 kindest bronze award at the 2025 00:03:05.280 --> 00:03:08.280 Australia Top Tourism Town Awards. 00:03:08.319 --> 00:03:09.575 and it's recommended the council 00:03:09.599 --> 00:03:11.656 formally acknowledge and celebrate Kiama's 00:03:11.680 --> 00:03:13.656 achievement in securing third place in 00:03:13.680 --> 00:03:16.215 the 2025 Australian Top Tourism Town 00:03:16.239 --> 00:03:18.855 Awards held at Parliament House Canberra and 00:03:18.879 --> 00:03:20.215 commend the efforts of destination 00:03:20.239 --> 00:03:22.376 Kiama, local businesses, tourism 00:03:22.400 --> 00:03:24.056 operators and the broader community for 00:03:24.080 --> 00:03:25.575 their contribution to this national 00:03:25.599 --> 00:03:28.599 recol recognition. Anyone like to speak 00:03:28.720 --> 00:03:31.720 to the minute? 00:03:31.760 --> 00:03:34.135 No, we'll continue on. Congratulations. 00:03:34.159 --> 00:03:36.536 I think we should give ourselves a 00:03:36.560 --> 00:03:39.560 round of applause as a town. 00:03:41.599 --> 00:03:44.599 we'll have a 00:03:45.120 --> 00:03:46.536 I'll put that to the floor. Put that to 00:03:46.560 --> 00:03:48.135 the motion. All those in favour raise 00:03:48.159 --> 00:03:49.976 your hands. All those against. The 00:03:50.000 --> 00:03:52.456 motion's carried. We're at item 11.2. 00:03:52.480 --> 00:03:54.215 Mayoral minute recognition of Captain 00:03:54.239 --> 00:03:56.616 Hannah McInerney of the Jamre Rural 00:03:56.640 --> 00:03:58.696 Fire Service. and has recommended that 00:03:58.720 --> 00:04:00.935 council formally congratulate Captain 00:04:00.959 --> 00:04:03.096 Hannah McInerney, the Jambaroo Rural 00:04:03.120 --> 00:04:05.096 Fire Service for outstanding service and 00:04:05.120 --> 00:04:08.120 recent recognition as the 2025 Illawarra 00:04:08.159 --> 00:04:11.016 adult volunteer of the year award. 00:04:11.040 --> 00:04:13.016 like to formally congratulate Captain 00:04:13.040 --> 00:04:16.040 McInerney and all her her efforts 00:04:16.479 --> 00:04:18.856 with Rural Fire Brigade and Rural Fire 00:04:18.880 --> 00:04:21.495 Service out at Jambaroo certainly 00:04:21.519 --> 00:04:24.519 well received and well earned 00:04:24.639 --> 00:04:27.096 anyone like to speak? I'll put the 00:04:27.120 --> 00:04:30.120 motion. All those in favour, 00:04:30.240 --> 00:04:32.216 all those against. And a little round of 00:04:32.240 --> 00:04:35.240 applause from Hannah as well. 00:04:35.919 --> 00:04:38.919 We'll also have item 11.3. 00:04:39.520 --> 00:04:41.416 Congratulations to Katelin McInerney 00:04:41.440 --> 00:04:43.175 on her successful election as the member 00:04:43.199 --> 00:04:45.816 for Kiama in the recent bi-election. I 00:04:45.840 --> 00:04:47.256 recommend that council formally 00:04:47.280 --> 00:04:49.096 congratulate Katelin McInerney on a 00:04:49.120 --> 00:04:50.776 successful election as the member for 00:04:50.800 --> 00:04:53.336 Kiama in the recent bi-election. Council 00:04:53.360 --> 00:04:55.096 looks forward to working collaboratively 00:04:55.120 --> 00:04:57.416 to advance the interests of the region. 00:04:57.440 --> 00:04:59.175 Caitlyn's also the first female to ever 00:04:59.199 --> 00:05:01.256 hold the seat of Kiama and council looks 00:05:01.280 --> 00:05:02.936 forward to working with her in her newly 00:05:02.960 --> 00:05:05.096 appointed role. Council thanks all the 00:05:05.120 --> 00:05:06.536 candidates for their compliance with 00:05:06.560 --> 00:05:08.936 election signage rules and for the time 00:05:08.960 --> 00:05:10.696 given towards meetings to discuss 00:05:10.720 --> 00:05:13.015 council's endorsed advocacy plan. So 00:05:13.039 --> 00:05:14.776 once again, Ken, we look forward to 00:05:14.800 --> 00:05:17.256 working with you and congratulations on 00:05:17.280 --> 00:05:20.280 your new recent election. 00:05:22.560 --> 00:05:24.776 All those in favour, 00:05:24.800 --> 00:05:27.800 all those against. Okay. Deputy Mayor 00:05:28.400 --> 00:05:29.895 Councelor Matters, could you please read 00:05:29.919 --> 00:05:31.416 the englobo list for tonight? 00:05:31.440 --> 00:05:34.440 Sure. Items for enlobo tonight are 13.2, 00:05:34.960 --> 00:05:37.960 14.2, 15.4, 15.5, 15.7, 16.1, and 16.2. 00:05:42.320 --> 00:05:45.320 Thank you. 00:05:46.240 --> 00:05:48.216 Thank you. 00:05:48.240 --> 00:05:49.416 too fast. 00:05:49.440 --> 00:05:51.015 We'll just make a note of those and I'll 00:05:51.039 --> 00:05:52.136 have a 00:05:52.160 --> 00:05:55.160 obviously a mover in councelor Matters. 00:05:55.440 --> 00:05:57.656 Have a second. Councelor Tatrai. All 00:05:57.680 --> 00:05:59.336 those in favour? 00:05:59.360 --> 00:06:02.360 yeah. Pausing for councilor Larkins. 00:06:11.759 --> 00:06:14.056 We all sorted with that. Okay. All those 00:06:14.080 --> 00:06:17.080 in favour raise your hands. Council 00:06:17.360 --> 00:06:20.136 Cains. Yeah. All those against the 00:06:20.160 --> 00:06:22.536 motion's carried. Thank you. So, we're 00:06:22.560 --> 00:06:25.560 at item 11 12.2. the minutes for 00:06:25.919 --> 00:06:27.656 the tourism and economic advisory 00:06:27.680 --> 00:06:30.455 committee 1 September 2025. You have the 00:06:30.479 --> 00:06:31.976 recommendation before you. Councelor 00:06:32.000 --> 00:06:34.376 Brown's moving. Do we have a seconder? 00:06:34.400 --> 00:06:36.056 Councelor Tatrai seconding. Councelor 00:06:36.080 --> 00:06:37.576 Brown like to speak to the motion. 00:06:37.600 --> 00:06:40.056 Councelor Tatrai have any other 00:06:40.080 --> 00:06:43.080 comments? Okay, we'll put that to the 00:06:43.120 --> 00:06:44.936 the floor. All those in favour raise your 00:06:44.960 --> 00:06:47.416 hands. All those against the motions 00:06:47.440 --> 00:06:50.440 carried. We're at 13.1 which is report 00:06:51.039 --> 00:06:52.615 of the chief executive officer for 00:06:52.639 --> 00:06:54.856 determination council representation to 00:06:54.880 --> 00:06:57.015 council committees external bodies 00:06:57.039 --> 00:06:59.175 regional and other organizations. You 00:06:59.199 --> 00:07:01.175 have the recommendation before you 00:07:01.199 --> 00:07:02.056 councilor Larkins. 00:07:02.080 --> 00:07:04.376 yes. So I'd like to move the 00:07:04.400 --> 00:07:07.400 recommendation in addition to 00:07:07.919 --> 00:07:10.919 adding the names of the counselors. 00:07:11.360 --> 00:07:14.295 I've worked through and discussed 00:07:14.319 --> 00:07:17.319 with counselors the nominations for 00:07:17.360 --> 00:07:20.360 these positions to be added in the 00:07:20.720 --> 00:07:22.936 recommendation. There are a couple where 00:07:22.960 --> 00:07:25.960 there are still multiple nominations. 00:07:26.240 --> 00:07:29.240 So I'll just read out the names. So for 00:07:29.520 --> 00:07:32.520 civic risk and mutual we have the Mayor 00:07:32.880 --> 00:07:35.656 and councelor Lawton for Clearary 00:07:35.680 --> 00:07:38.680 Bros we have councelor Tatrai. 00:07:39.120 --> 00:07:41.416 friends of Kiama library we have 00:07:41.440 --> 00:07:44.440 councelor Larkins with councelor Lawton as 00:07:45.120 --> 00:07:48.120 an alternate we have healthy cities 00:07:48.240 --> 00:07:51.240 alliance councelor Lawton for the 00:07:51.680 --> 00:07:54.680 Illawarrarra academy of sport it is 00:07:54.720 --> 00:07:57.720 automatically the Mayor for the Illawarra 00:07:57.840 --> 00:07:59.976 bushfire management committee we have 00:08:00.000 --> 00:08:03.000 councelor Larkins for Illawarra district weeds 00:08:03.599 --> 00:08:06.599 authority committee councelor Lawton 00:08:06.720 --> 00:08:09.720 now for the Illawarra Shoalhaven joint 00:08:09.759 --> 00:08:12.759 organization. We have the Mayor and 00:08:13.360 --> 00:08:16.360 council Larkins as the voting delegates and 00:08:17.280 --> 00:08:19.656 then we have had three 00:08:19.680 --> 00:08:22.680 alternates for nomination which is 00:08:22.800 --> 00:08:25.800 councelor Tatrai Warren and Matters. 00:08:26.879 --> 00:08:28.696 for the Kiama and district sports 00:08:28.720 --> 00:08:31.720 association we have councelor Matters 00:08:32.719 --> 00:08:35.176 for the Kiama liquor accord. We have had 00:08:35.200 --> 00:08:38.200 three nominations. Tatrai Warren and 00:08:39.039 --> 00:08:42.039 Cains. for the Kiama Public Libraries 00:08:43.519 --> 00:08:46.519 Association and Southeast Zone, we have 00:08:46.880 --> 00:08:49.880 Councelor Larkins with Councelor Tatrai as 00:08:50.480 --> 00:08:53.255 an alternate. For the South Coast Board, 00:08:53.279 --> 00:08:55.416 we have Councelor Larkins, sorry, 00:08:55.440 --> 00:08:58.136 Councelor Draisma as the voting 00:08:58.160 --> 00:09:01.096 delegate with Councelor Tatrai as an 00:09:01.120 --> 00:09:03.176 alternate. For the southern regional 00:09:03.200 --> 00:09:06.200 planning panel, we have McDonald and 00:09:06.720 --> 00:09:09.656 Matters as the voting delegates and the 00:09:09.680 --> 00:09:11.815 four alternates have been council 00:09:11.839 --> 00:09:14.839 Tatrai, Larkins, Warren and Brown. 00:09:18.160 --> 00:09:21.160 So in terms of a conflict or where 00:09:21.680 --> 00:09:24.136 there's been multiple nominations, 00:09:24.160 --> 00:09:26.696 we need one nomination I believe for 00:09:26.720 --> 00:09:28.456 the alternate 00:09:28.480 --> 00:09:31.255 for ? and we currently have 00:09:31.279 --> 00:09:33.656 three. And the Kiama Licquer Accord has 00:09:33.680 --> 00:09:36.680 three nominations for a position of two. 00:09:39.040 --> 00:09:41.896 Oh, and the Australian Coastal Council, 00:09:41.920 --> 00:09:44.920 which is not wasn't on the original 00:09:47.200 --> 00:09:48.776 circulation, but it's on the agenda 00:09:48.800 --> 00:09:51.800 papers. We have Councelor 00:09:53.279 --> 00:09:55.976 Lawton 00:09:56.000 --> 00:09:58.616 and Tatrai. 00:09:58.640 --> 00:10:01.016 So there's a double we need just one 00:10:01.040 --> 00:10:03.656 counselor for that in addition to the 00:10:03.680 --> 00:10:06.680 Mayor and with point two so the 00:10:08.560 --> 00:10:10.935 finance and major projects advisory 00:10:10.959 --> 00:10:13.959 committee councilors voted in the 00:10:14.800 --> 00:10:17.336 last council meeting to increase that 00:10:17.360 --> 00:10:19.736 membership by a third council. So I've 00:10:19.760 --> 00:10:22.055 nominated for that position. So 00:10:22.079 --> 00:10:24.375 that's just been highlighted to bring 00:10:24.399 --> 00:10:26.696 that to the attention of all counselors. 00:10:26.720 --> 00:10:29.720 but currently we just have three 00:10:30.000 --> 00:10:31.255 positions where there's multiple 00:10:31.279 --> 00:10:33.336 nominations. So, I don't know if we 00:10:33.360 --> 00:10:35.656 wanted to go to a vote or if any 00:10:35.680 --> 00:10:38.680 counselors wanted to withdraw. 00:10:39.360 --> 00:10:42.216 Okay. 00:10:42.240 --> 00:10:43.016 Okay. 00:10:43.040 --> 00:10:45.336 so we're specifically talking at 00:10:45.360 --> 00:10:47.016 with regards to Joe 00:10:47.040 --> 00:10:48.776 ? at the moment. Yeah. So, 00:10:48.800 --> 00:10:51.416 so if we take out Warren and Matters as 00:10:51.440 --> 00:10:54.440 the alternate, we have councilor Tatrai 00:10:55.120 --> 00:10:57.255 that resolves that. So that resolves 00:10:57.279 --> 00:10:59.096 that one. 00:10:59.120 --> 00:11:01.656 The Kiama liquor accords 00:11:01.680 --> 00:11:04.680 Tatrai, Warren and Cains. 00:11:06.480 --> 00:11:09.480 Okay. So council Warren will withdraw. 00:11:12.000 --> 00:11:13.976 So it's only council Tatrai and Cains. So 00:11:14.000 --> 00:11:17.000 that resolves that. And 00:11:18.000 --> 00:11:21.000 um the other one was 00:11:24.560 --> 00:11:26.055 South Coast Arts Board. 00:11:26.079 --> 00:11:28.375 no. So that 00:11:28.399 --> 00:11:29.976 we have a back up there. 00:11:30.000 --> 00:11:31.736 Councelor Tatrai agreed to be an 00:11:31.760 --> 00:11:33.495 alternate. I don't believe that has an 00:11:33.519 --> 00:11:35.576 alternate position. I thought we'd 00:11:35.600 --> 00:11:37.255 clarify that with the CEO. 00:11:37.279 --> 00:11:37.736 All right. 00:11:37.760 --> 00:11:40.216 Before proceeding 00:11:40.240 --> 00:11:42.136 to 00:11:42.160 --> 00:11:43.495 through you, Mr. Mayor. I know that 00:11:43.519 --> 00:11:45.016 particular committee doesn't have an 00:11:45.040 --> 00:11:46.856 alternate. 00:11:46.880 --> 00:11:48.856 So, councelor Tatrai, are you happy to 00:11:48.880 --> 00:11:51.576 withdraw from that or would you like to 00:11:51.600 --> 00:11:54.600 put yourself forward as the 00:11:54.800 --> 00:11:56.296 Oh, no. Yeah, I'll withdraw. 00:11:56.320 --> 00:11:56.616 Okay. 00:11:56.640 --> 00:11:57.096 Okay. 00:11:57.120 --> 00:11:58.536 So, that resolves that. So, it's council 00:11:58.560 --> 00:11:59.976 Draisma there on the 00:12:00.000 --> 00:12:02.616 council Draisma for the South Coast Arts 00:12:02.640 --> 00:12:04.055 Board. 00:12:04.079 --> 00:12:06.776 the Southern Regional Planel Southern 00:12:06.800 --> 00:12:08.216 Regional Planning Panel has been 00:12:08.240 --> 00:12:10.055 resolved. 00:12:10.079 --> 00:12:12.375 So all positions have been satisfied for 00:12:12.399 --> 00:12:15.336 that. And the Australian Coastal 00:12:15.360 --> 00:12:17.976 Councils, we've still got two councilors 00:12:18.000 --> 00:12:21.000 for one position, Lawton and Tatrai. 00:12:21.680 --> 00:12:23.576 I will withdraw, but do we have to only 00:12:23.600 --> 00:12:25.896 have one? Can we not have two? 00:12:25.920 --> 00:12:28.920 Australia, 00:12:32.000 --> 00:12:33.495 through the Mayor, that's actually a 00:12:33.519 --> 00:12:34.776 question I'd need to ask the 00:12:34.800 --> 00:12:37.096 association. We've never actually been 00:12:37.120 --> 00:12:38.935 in a position where we had an alternate. 00:12:38.959 --> 00:12:41.176 In the previous term of council, the 00:12:41.200 --> 00:12:44.200 Mayor attended um because council holds 00:12:44.399 --> 00:12:46.935 a general membership to the association. 00:12:46.959 --> 00:12:49.096 So there's nothing that prevents two 00:12:49.120 --> 00:12:51.495 counselors from attending their annual 00:12:51.519 --> 00:12:54.216 conference, but there was only ever one 00:12:54.240 --> 00:12:57.240 nominated role on that committee. 00:12:59.920 --> 00:13:01.495 Look, I'm happy to 00:13:01.519 --> 00:13:03.576 whatever. Oh, sorry, councilor I'm 00:13:03.600 --> 00:13:05.336 happy to withdraw and if I want to 00:13:05.360 --> 00:13:07.176 attend, I'll just attend. 00:13:07.200 --> 00:13:07.976 Okay. So, 00:13:08.000 --> 00:13:08.296 okay, 00:13:08.320 --> 00:13:10.696 Councilor Tatrai, that'll leave you. 00:13:10.720 --> 00:13:11.656 Okay. 00:13:11.680 --> 00:13:14.136 and yeah, so the rest um the 00:13:14.160 --> 00:13:16.536 highlight can go. we've resolved it. 00:13:16.560 --> 00:13:19.336 all of it, so that's fine. 00:13:19.360 --> 00:13:21.176 Okay. So, you'll move that, Council 00:13:21.200 --> 00:13:23.495 Larkins. Do we have a seconder? Councelor 00:13:23.519 --> 00:13:25.736 Tatrai. 00:13:25.760 --> 00:13:27.495 Okay. 00:13:27.519 --> 00:13:29.656 I'll put the motion then if we're up to 00:13:29.680 --> 00:13:32.536 speed there. All those in favour raise 00:13:32.560 --> 00:13:35.560 your hands. 00:13:35.680 --> 00:13:38.680 All those against the motion's carried. 00:13:38.720 --> 00:13:41.720 So that was item 13.1. 00:13:43.839 --> 00:13:45.656 Now we're on a 14.1 report of the 00:13:45.680 --> 00:13:47.495 director corporate and commercial 00:13:47.519 --> 00:13:50.519 monthly financial report July 2025. You 00:13:51.200 --> 00:13:52.536 had the recommendation before you. Do I 00:13:52.560 --> 00:13:55.560 have a mover? 00:13:58.240 --> 00:14:00.856 Council Warren. Do I have a seconder? 00:14:00.880 --> 00:14:03.880 Council Larkins, 00:14:04.320 --> 00:14:05.896 Council Warren, Council Larkins like to 00:14:05.920 --> 00:14:08.296 speak to the motion. No. Okay, I'll put 00:14:08.320 --> 00:14:10.216 the motion. All those in favour, raise 00:14:10.240 --> 00:14:13.240 your hands. All those against. The 00:14:13.279 --> 00:14:15.815 motion's carried. 00:14:15.839 --> 00:14:17.976 Now we're at 14.3. Response to questions 00:14:18.000 --> 00:14:19.976 with notice and update during self life 00:14:20.000 --> 00:14:21.815 saving club. You have the recommendation 00:14:21.839 --> 00:14:24.696 before you. Do I have a mover? Councelor 00:14:24.720 --> 00:14:27.720 Brown. Secer, Councelor Tatrai. Councelor 00:14:28.399 --> 00:14:31.399 Brown like to speak to the motion. 00:14:33.199 --> 00:14:35.255 thank you, Mayor. Just just briefly, 00:14:35.279 --> 00:14:37.976 um this is wonderful news. This is one 00:14:38.000 --> 00:14:40.615 of the best buildings that we've seen 00:14:40.639 --> 00:14:42.856 and that council have the proud 00:14:42.880 --> 00:14:45.495 ownership of supporting this amazing 00:14:45.519 --> 00:14:48.216 club down in Jeringong. It is great to 00:14:48.240 --> 00:14:50.615 see not only the club being used by by 00:14:50.639 --> 00:14:52.935 its members, but members of the public 00:14:52.959 --> 00:14:55.255 as well. Um, so I just want to 00:14:55.279 --> 00:14:57.016 congratulate the club on the amazing 00:14:57.040 --> 00:14:58.216 work that they've done and of course 00:14:58.240 --> 00:15:00.375 council and council staff for assisting 00:15:00.399 --> 00:15:02.935 the club get to where where it's been. 00:15:02.959 --> 00:15:04.536 Of course, this club would not have been 00:15:04.560 --> 00:15:06.696 there without significant grant from the 00:15:06.720 --> 00:15:09.096 federal government over $5 million. And 00:15:09.120 --> 00:15:10.536 I think we should always acknowledge the 00:15:10.560 --> 00:15:13.336 work that Farah Phillips did in 00:15:13.360 --> 00:15:16.360 helping secure that grant again to you 00:15:16.959 --> 00:15:19.495 know this community's latest and 00:15:19.519 --> 00:15:21.016 biggest asset. 00:15:21.040 --> 00:15:22.856 Thanks Council Brown. Catch a Tatrai. 00:15:22.880 --> 00:15:25.736 No. Okay. Any further comments? Council 00:15:25.760 --> 00:15:26.456 Lawton. 00:15:26.480 --> 00:15:29.480 Yep. Thank you, Mayor. Um, given it was 00:15:30.240 --> 00:15:32.136 my question with notice, I just have a 00:15:32.160 --> 00:15:34.216 couple of um questions to have 00:15:34.240 --> 00:15:37.240 clarified. Um, just in saying when we 00:15:37.279 --> 00:15:38.375 list all the documents. 00:15:38.399 --> 00:15:40.136 Sorry, if you can just wait a second, 00:15:40.160 --> 00:15:43.160 councelor Lawton. 00:15:44.480 --> 00:15:46.456 Sorry. 00:15:46.480 --> 00:15:48.296 Okay. Sorry. Please continue. 00:15:48.320 --> 00:15:49.896 I just want to check a couple of things. 00:15:49.920 --> 00:15:51.815 when we list all the documents as we 00:15:51.839 --> 00:15:54.055 have in that response that we actually 00:15:54.079 --> 00:15:57.079 have copies of those not just a a 00:15:57.199 --> 00:15:59.416 wording that says that they have been 00:15:59.440 --> 00:16:02.440 received um and noted. Um I would also 00:16:03.600 --> 00:16:05.896 like to understand 00:16:05.920 --> 00:16:07.495 why 00:16:07.519 --> 00:16:09.976 we have to wait for the keys to be given 00:16:10.000 --> 00:16:12.696 to us when it is council building new 00:16:12.720 --> 00:16:14.296 asset. 00:16:14.320 --> 00:16:17.175 Um, I would also like to check when the 00:16:17.199 --> 00:16:19.576 date is going to be provided for the 00:16:19.600 --> 00:16:21.976 leasing agreement and what status that 00:16:22.000 --> 00:16:24.375 is up to. 00:16:24.399 --> 00:16:27.096 Um, I'd also like to request in number 00:16:27.120 --> 00:16:29.976 five, I'm not understanding why we are 00:16:30.000 --> 00:16:32.456 not privy to those documents given it's 00:16:32.480 --> 00:16:35.480 a council asset. Um, and this is on the 00:16:35.920 --> 00:16:38.696 basis of if there's inconsistencies or a 00:16:38.720 --> 00:16:40.375 future claim for anything of that 00:16:40.399 --> 00:16:43.016 building, I believe it's council that 00:16:43.040 --> 00:16:46.040 will have to obviously talk to that um, 00:16:46.800 --> 00:16:48.456 inconsistency. 00:16:48.480 --> 00:16:49.976 So, we should actually have a copy of 00:16:50.000 --> 00:16:52.375 the contracts and financials. I'd also 00:16:52.399 --> 00:16:54.296 like to add we should have a speestos 00:16:54.320 --> 00:16:57.320 certification, a section 73 um, water 00:16:58.480 --> 00:17:01.480 diagram and works as executed drainage. 00:17:02.399 --> 00:17:03.896 Thank you. 00:17:03.920 --> 00:17:06.055 So, 00:17:06.079 --> 00:17:08.055 thank you. 00:17:08.079 --> 00:17:09.815 You're always very thorough, councelor 00:17:09.839 --> 00:17:12.216 Lawton. I love it. So, in respect to 00:17:12.240 --> 00:17:14.856 your first question, um council 00:17:14.880 --> 00:17:16.535 maintains all its records in accordance 00:17:16.559 --> 00:17:19.015 with the records act. So, whenever we 00:17:19.039 --> 00:17:21.815 receive correspondence, we keep that on 00:17:21.839 --> 00:17:24.696 file um and archive it accordingly and 00:17:24.720 --> 00:17:26.775 store it for the correct amount of time. 00:17:26.799 --> 00:17:29.176 So where the report reflects that, we 00:17:29.200 --> 00:17:31.416 obviously have done that under the local 00:17:31.440 --> 00:17:33.015 government act. You cannot mislead 00:17:33.039 --> 00:17:35.176 council in a business paper. So we would 00:17:35.200 --> 00:17:38.200 never do that. In relation to the keys 00:17:38.640 --> 00:17:40.936 and the lease update when I'm finished 00:17:40.960 --> 00:17:43.655 answering your other questions, I'll get 00:17:43.679 --> 00:17:46.056 um Joe to give you a bit of an update on 00:17:46.080 --> 00:17:47.895 where negotiations are at with the 00:17:47.919 --> 00:17:50.919 lease. But in respect to the key and 00:17:52.240 --> 00:17:54.056 that is because the building is built on 00:17:54.080 --> 00:17:56.376 a different key system and ought to be 00:17:56.400 --> 00:17:58.936 on that um master key system. We'll find 00:17:58.960 --> 00:18:00.936 a resolution to that and we will obtain 00:18:00.960 --> 00:18:03.960 a fob key for it. Um I don't consider 00:18:04.720 --> 00:18:06.616 that to be a massive issue at this point 00:18:06.640 --> 00:18:08.456 in time. We're working really well 00:18:08.480 --> 00:18:10.136 constructively. 00:18:10.160 --> 00:18:13.160 In respect to item five, , exactly as 00:18:13.840 --> 00:18:16.840 the report says there on page 78, we're 00:18:16.880 --> 00:18:19.336 not the developer of this asset. Council 00:18:19.360 --> 00:18:21.576 was not the applicant of the grant and 00:18:21.600 --> 00:18:24.136 nor are we the developer. So any claim 00:18:24.160 --> 00:18:27.160 for liability, defects, any kind of kind 00:18:27.919 --> 00:18:30.216 of construction arising matter is 00:18:30.240 --> 00:18:32.136 actually not council's responsibility 00:18:32.160 --> 00:18:33.976 and we will categorically take that 00:18:34.000 --> 00:18:36.136 approach should anything ever arise 00:18:36.160 --> 00:18:37.976 because it literally had nothing to do 00:18:38.000 --> 00:18:41.000 with us. Um, 00:18:41.280 --> 00:18:43.976 and then in regards to the asbestos 00:18:44.000 --> 00:18:46.376 certification and the section 73, I 00:18:46.400 --> 00:18:47.976 think he said, I'll have to take those 00:18:48.000 --> 00:18:50.936 as questions on notice. Um, and I'll ask 00:18:50.960 --> 00:18:53.176 the minute takers to record those as 00:18:53.200 --> 00:18:55.895 questions on notice and we will come 00:18:55.919 --> 00:18:57.576 back to the next ordinary council 00:18:57.600 --> 00:18:59.576 meeting as we need to do as per the 00:18:59.600 --> 00:19:01.816 comp. Now Joe, can you give an update on 00:19:01.840 --> 00:19:04.840 the lease agreement please? Thank you. 00:19:06.240 --> 00:19:08.376 Yes, through you, Mayor. Um, with 00:19:08.400 --> 00:19:10.535 regarding the lease, the council will 00:19:10.559 --> 00:19:12.296 remember that I think about six weeks 00:19:12.320 --> 00:19:14.775 ago, there was an all parties meeting 00:19:14.799 --> 00:19:16.535 between the club and council 00:19:16.559 --> 00:19:19.559 representatives and there was quite a 00:19:19.840 --> 00:19:22.840 solid list of actions that each party 00:19:22.960 --> 00:19:24.856 would take. So, we're working through 00:19:24.880 --> 00:19:27.096 those those items and there's a meeting 00:19:27.120 --> 00:19:28.856 that we're looking to arrange with the 00:19:28.880 --> 00:19:30.296 surf club to work through any 00:19:30.320 --> 00:19:31.976 outstanding Matters and looking to 00:19:32.000 --> 00:19:34.056 progress that lease. That's where 00:19:34.080 --> 00:19:37.080 we're at at the moment. 00:19:39.440 --> 00:19:42.440 Thank you. Okay. Any further comments, 00:19:43.039 --> 00:19:44.616 queries? 00:19:44.640 --> 00:19:46.296 No. I'll put the motion. All those in 00:19:46.320 --> 00:19:48.775 favour, raise your hands. All those 00:19:48.799 --> 00:19:51.496 against. The motions carried. 00:19:51.520 --> 00:19:54.520 Okay. We are at item 15.1, amendment to 00:19:55.200 --> 00:19:58.200 motion LGNSW 2025 annual conference on 00:19:59.039 --> 00:20:01.816 rock fishing safety. Now please note 00:20:01.840 --> 00:20:03.655 that a misprint was identified in the 00:20:03.679 --> 00:20:06.535 agenda regarding recommendation one. The 00:20:06.559 --> 00:20:08.456 recommendation contain contained a 00:20:08.480 --> 00:20:10.535 typographical error where the word may 00:20:10.559 --> 00:20:12.696 should be replaced with the word way. 00:20:12.720 --> 00:20:14.296 This correction will be reflected in the 00:20:14.320 --> 00:20:16.136 minutes. So you do have the 00:20:16.160 --> 00:20:17.736 recommendation before you. 00:20:17.760 --> 00:20:19.496 Councelor DMA had 00:20:19.520 --> 00:20:22.376 ah great councelor Draisma. 00:20:22.400 --> 00:20:23.176 Happy to move. 00:20:23.200 --> 00:20:25.256 Happy to move. Councelor Larkins 00:20:25.280 --> 00:20:26.696 seconding. Councelor Drez would you like 00:20:26.720 --> 00:20:28.535 to speak to the motion? Yeah, just 00:20:28.559 --> 00:20:30.616 briefly, , thank thanks to the staff 00:20:30.640 --> 00:20:33.015 for, um, for fleshing out the motion 00:20:33.039 --> 00:20:35.496 further and articulating, I guess, 00:20:35.520 --> 00:20:37.416 broader concerns about councils in 00:20:37.440 --> 00:20:40.056 implementation of, , the act as it 00:20:40.080 --> 00:20:42.616 currently stands. And, , hopefully we 00:20:42.640 --> 00:20:44.936 see some um, positive , impact from 00:20:44.960 --> 00:20:46.535 the result of this motion being moved 00:20:46.559 --> 00:20:49.416 and successfully adopted by LGSW later 00:20:49.440 --> 00:20:51.336 in the year. 00:20:51.360 --> 00:20:54.056 Thanks, Councelor DMA. Council Larkins, no. 00:20:54.080 --> 00:20:56.135 Any further comments or queries? No. 00:20:56.159 --> 00:20:58.535 I'll put the motion. All those in favour, 00:20:58.559 --> 00:21:00.216 raise your hands. All those against, the 00:21:00.240 --> 00:21:03.240 motions carried. So, we're at item 15.2, 00:21:04.320 --> 00:21:06.535 determination of section 8.2, review 00:21:06.559 --> 00:21:09.416 development application number 10, 2024 00:21:09.440 --> 00:21:12.440 481, lot 1 DP 860293, 00:21:13.679 --> 00:21:16.535 142 Shaw Haven Street, and lot 1 DP 00:21:16.559 --> 00:21:18.616 744809 00:21:18.640 --> 00:21:21.640 154 Shall Haven Street, Cayama. You have 00:21:22.159 --> 00:21:23.655 the recommendation before you do to have 00:21:23.679 --> 00:21:25.416 a mover. Councelor Brown seconded. 00:21:25.440 --> 00:21:27.256 Councelor Tetray. Councelor Brown like 00:21:27.280 --> 00:21:28.616 to speak to the motion. Councelor 00:21:28.640 --> 00:21:31.640 Tetray. Councelor Lawton. 00:21:31.679 --> 00:21:33.416 Yeah, thank you through you, Mayor. I 00:21:33.440 --> 00:21:36.440 would just like to say um to the to the 00:21:36.559 --> 00:21:38.936 applicant, thank you for the revision 00:21:38.960 --> 00:21:40.616 and working with the neighboring 00:21:40.640 --> 00:21:42.775 properties. I think it's a great outcome 00:21:42.799 --> 00:21:45.799 to see how if we can work and talk then 00:21:45.840 --> 00:21:47.736 we can actually find a great resolution. 00:21:47.760 --> 00:21:49.895 So, thank you. 00:21:49.919 --> 00:21:52.376 Thanks, Council Lawton. 00:21:52.400 --> 00:21:54.775 No further comments. Okay, I'll put the 00:21:54.799 --> 00:21:57.416 motion. Um, all those in favour, raise 00:21:57.440 --> 00:21:59.736 your hands. So, we have councelor Matts, 00:21:59.760 --> 00:22:01.576 councelor Warren, councelor Kanes, 00:22:01.600 --> 00:22:03.336 councelor Tatrai, councelor Brown, 00:22:03.360 --> 00:22:05.496 councelor Lawton, councelor Larkins, 00:22:05.520 --> 00:22:07.496 councelor McDonald, and councelor 00:22:07.520 --> 00:22:09.096 Darisma. 00:22:09.120 --> 00:22:12.120 All those against the motion's carried. 00:22:12.880 --> 00:22:15.880 Okay, we're at item 15.3, 00:22:16.159 --> 00:22:18.056 determination of development application 00:22:18.080 --> 00:22:21.080 number 10, 2025 104.1, lot 261, DP 00:22:22.880 --> 00:22:25.096 806312, 00:22:25.120 --> 00:22:28.120 173 Mount Brandon Road, Gerrera. Please 00:22:28.320 --> 00:22:29.976 note that a misprint was identified in 00:22:30.000 --> 00:22:31.496 the agenda regarding the development 00:22:31.520 --> 00:22:33.416 application number for this item. The 00:22:33.440 --> 00:22:35.176 incorrect number listed in the 00:22:35.200 --> 00:22:38.200 recommendation was DA10 2022186.1. 00:22:39.760 --> 00:22:42.135 The correct DA number is DA 10.20220 00:22:42.159 --> 00:22:44.936 2025 104.1 00:22:44.960 --> 00:22:47.496 pan 549470. 00:22:47.520 --> 00:22:49.096 This correction will be reflected in the 00:22:49.120 --> 00:22:51.336 minutes. You have the recommendation 00:22:51.360 --> 00:22:54.216 before you. Anyone? 00:22:54.240 --> 00:22:55.496 Councelor Kes. 00:22:55.520 --> 00:22:57.816 Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I'd like to um I'd 00:22:57.840 --> 00:23:00.840 like to move a motion and I think that 00:23:00.960 --> 00:23:03.960 that was previously sent through 00:23:05.039 --> 00:23:07.256 entitled an alternate motion. Although 00:23:07.280 --> 00:23:09.655 we're not presenting it as an alternate 00:23:09.679 --> 00:23:11.496 motion. We're just presenting it as the 00:23:11.520 --> 00:23:14.520 motion. Are we able to have that 00:23:15.120 --> 00:23:18.120 on the screen? 00:23:20.960 --> 00:23:23.895 So, I'm just going to get some advice on 00:23:23.919 --> 00:23:26.696 that because essentially um I think it 00:23:26.720 --> 00:23:29.416 is 00:23:29.440 --> 00:23:31.416 the exact negative of of the motion 00:23:31.440 --> 00:23:34.440 that's before us. So, can I 00:23:34.960 --> 00:23:37.960 just defer to the CO on that matter? 00:23:41.600 --> 00:23:44.456 I mean there isn't an original motion 00:23:44.480 --> 00:23:46.775 that's been put yet. I am putting the 00:23:46.799 --> 00:23:48.135 motion 00:23:48.159 --> 00:23:50.376 and I seek a seconder for it. 00:23:50.400 --> 00:23:51.895 Right. 00:23:51.919 --> 00:23:53.496 Okay. 00:23:53.520 --> 00:23:56.520 So, councelor Kanes has 00:23:57.919 --> 00:23:59.256 councelor Kanees has moved the motion. 00:23:59.280 --> 00:24:00.936 Councelor Tatrai seconded the motion. 00:24:00.960 --> 00:24:02.376 Councelor Kanes like to speak to the 00:24:02.400 --> 00:24:03.976 motion. 00:24:04.000 --> 00:24:06.936 thank you Mr. Mayor. 00:24:06.960 --> 00:24:09.960 Um, look, I 00:24:10.080 --> 00:24:13.080 I rise to talk about and to encourage us 00:24:14.720 --> 00:24:16.535 all to think about approving this 00:24:16.559 --> 00:24:19.559 motion. Um, , sorry to to pass the 00:24:20.880 --> 00:24:22.376 motion to approve the development 00:24:22.400 --> 00:24:24.936 application. 00:24:24.960 --> 00:24:27.015 I think it would be a most regrettable 00:24:27.039 --> 00:24:29.576 scenario if we ended up in a position 00:24:29.600 --> 00:24:32.600 where our policy position was to was 00:24:33.760 --> 00:24:36.760 to not approve this perfectly reasonable 00:24:36.960 --> 00:24:38.696 application. 00:24:38.720 --> 00:24:41.176 The lot was legally created with the 00:24:41.200 --> 00:24:43.176 express purpose of housing. Let's not 00:24:43.200 --> 00:24:46.135 forget it exists for that particular 00:24:46.159 --> 00:24:49.096 reason. So to now turn around and tell 00:24:49.120 --> 00:24:50.936 the applicant that they cannot build a 00:24:50.960 --> 00:24:53.960 home there is not only unreasonable but 00:24:54.159 --> 00:24:57.159 it's unfair and it's inconsistent and 00:24:57.200 --> 00:25:00.200 it's indefensible in my view. Yes, under 00:25:00.720 --> 00:25:03.255 the strict letter of the LEP 00:25:03.279 --> 00:25:06.135 the lot falls below the minimum lot size 00:25:06.159 --> 00:25:07.736 but the land and environment court has 00:25:07.760 --> 00:25:10.135 been crystal clear on this point. For 00:25:10.159 --> 00:25:11.816 instance in the sharp verse council 00:25:11.840 --> 00:25:13.336 matter the court found that there were 00:25:13.360 --> 00:25:16.360 valid grounds to use 4.6 seeks to vary. 00:25:17.039 --> 00:25:19.015 Um 00:25:19.039 --> 00:25:22.039 the court has found and this is critical 00:25:22.240 --> 00:25:24.296 that such proposals don't impact 00:25:24.320 --> 00:25:25.976 existing agricultural 00:25:26.000 --> 00:25:27.816 we'll stick to the the motion before us. 00:25:27.840 --> 00:25:28.216 Thanks. 00:25:28.240 --> 00:25:30.376 Sure. 00:25:30.400 --> 00:25:33.400 What we'll see is that if the proposal 00:25:33.600 --> 00:25:35.816 doesn't impact on existing 00:25:35.840 --> 00:25:38.840 agricultural use, if the proposed 00:25:39.039 --> 00:25:41.576 dwelling doesn't conflict with adjoining 00:25:41.600 --> 00:25:44.600 properties, if there's no realistic 00:25:44.640 --> 00:25:47.015 option of amalgamation with existing 00:25:47.039 --> 00:25:49.976 viable agricultural enterprises, 00:25:50.000 --> 00:25:52.376 and importantly, if the proposal could 00:25:52.400 --> 00:25:54.936 not in any way be described as unplanned 00:25:54.960 --> 00:25:57.576 rural residential development, 00:25:57.600 --> 00:25:59.336 then we find ourselves in a position 00:25:59.360 --> 00:26:01.015 where it's consistent with the 00:26:01.039 --> 00:26:03.736 objectives of the LEP. 00:26:03.760 --> 00:26:05.895 I mean, it's exactly the situation that 00:26:05.919 --> 00:26:08.775 4.6 was designed for and designed to 00:26:08.799 --> 00:26:11.416 deal with. If there are genuine reasons 00:26:11.440 --> 00:26:14.056 why development cannot be built safely, 00:26:14.080 --> 00:26:15.655 whether it's because of bushfire hazards 00:26:15.679 --> 00:26:18.679 or water treatment, then they should be 00:26:18.799 --> 00:26:20.775 those should be assessed under the act. 00:26:20.799 --> 00:26:23.496 It shouldn't be assessed under 00:26:23.520 --> 00:26:26.056 under the proper it should be 00:26:26.080 --> 00:26:27.816 assessed under the proper framework for 00:26:27.840 --> 00:26:30.840 refusal. 00:26:30.880 --> 00:26:33.880 To deny this application simply because 00:26:34.080 --> 00:26:36.535 a sunset clause was used to remove the 00:26:36.559 --> 00:26:39.559 property rights is hollow and unjust 00:26:39.760 --> 00:26:42.216 grounds. 00:26:42.240 --> 00:26:44.056 What purpose did the removal of those 00:26:44.080 --> 00:26:47.080 entitlements serve? Was it incentive? 00:26:47.440 --> 00:26:50.376 Was it punishment? Was it simple 00:26:50.400 --> 00:26:52.616 bureaucratic maliciousness? 00:26:52.640 --> 00:26:54.376 I don't know. But we find ourselves 00:26:54.400 --> 00:26:56.856 where the applicant has what they 00:26:56.880 --> 00:26:59.880 describe as a sterilized property. 00:27:00.640 --> 00:27:03.416 The reality is that is that apart from a 00:27:03.440 --> 00:27:06.296 handful of farms on the valley floor, 00:27:06.320 --> 00:27:09.320 there are very few prime agricultural 00:27:10.159 --> 00:27:13.159 lots of land in our LGA. And we must we 00:27:14.400 --> 00:27:16.775 must be able to think a little bit more 00:27:16.799 --> 00:27:19.799 deeply about what our agricultural land 00:27:21.039 --> 00:27:23.976 what is agricultural land. What could 00:27:24.000 --> 00:27:26.775 these concessional lots be used for? 00:27:26.799 --> 00:27:29.799 What is morally and ethically correct 00:27:30.080 --> 00:27:32.456 for us as a council? What what sort of 00:27:32.480 --> 00:27:35.480 pathway is is 00:27:35.520 --> 00:27:38.520 gives us a moral obligation to fulfill? 00:27:39.760 --> 00:27:41.816 I mean let's be let's be clear. the 00:27:41.840 --> 00:27:44.135 choice before us. 00:27:44.159 --> 00:27:45.895 If the intention for the concessional 00:27:45.919 --> 00:27:48.056 lots to be resumed as bush, for 00:27:48.080 --> 00:27:50.616 instance, or to sit idle, maybe as fire 00:27:50.640 --> 00:27:52.056 hazards, then we should be clear about 00:27:52.080 --> 00:27:55.015 it. If we don't ever want housing to be 00:27:55.039 --> 00:27:57.496 on these plots of land, then let's state 00:27:57.520 --> 00:28:00.135 it. But essentially, it's a potential 00:28:00.159 --> 00:28:03.159 source of diverse housing in our LGA and 00:28:03.360 --> 00:28:05.816 it's a source of an uplift to our 00:28:05.840 --> 00:28:08.840 rateayer base. Refusing this DA doesn't 00:28:09.279 --> 00:28:11.816 protect farmland. It doesn't achieve a 00:28:11.840 --> 00:28:14.840 planning objective. It sterilizes the 00:28:14.960 --> 00:28:17.496 land, strips residents of an expensive 00:28:17.520 --> 00:28:19.655 and unwinable 00:28:19.679 --> 00:28:21.496 it puts us in a position where we've 00:28:21.520 --> 00:28:24.520 got an expensive and un unwininnable 00:28:24.880 --> 00:28:26.216 collision course with the land 00:28:26.240 --> 00:28:28.456 environment court. We're not here to 00:28:28.480 --> 00:28:31.480 punish applicants for bad timing. We're 00:28:32.080 --> 00:28:34.856 not here to hide behind arbitrary 00:28:34.880 --> 00:28:37.416 technicalities. We're here to apply with 00:28:37.440 --> 00:28:39.496 fairness and consistency and common 00:28:39.520 --> 00:28:41.096 sense. 00:28:41.120 --> 00:28:44.120 If we refuse this DA tonight, then we'll 00:28:44.799 --> 00:28:47.496 be seen as a council that elevates rigid 00:28:47.520 --> 00:28:50.520 technicalities over just outcomes, 00:28:51.120 --> 00:28:53.816 that waste community resources and 00:28:53.840 --> 00:28:56.216 strips citizens of reasonable use of 00:28:56.240 --> 00:28:59.176 their land. And I say again that this 00:28:59.200 --> 00:29:02.200 would be a regrettable, in my opinion, 00:29:02.559 --> 00:29:04.535 some would find it a disgraceful 00:29:04.559 --> 00:29:07.176 position for this council to take. The 00:29:07.200 --> 00:29:09.576 court has already told us in other in in 00:29:09.600 --> 00:29:12.600 other Matters that this is what clause 00:29:12.880 --> 00:29:15.880 4.6 should be used for. I am winding up. 00:29:16.960 --> 00:29:19.960 Let us not walk blindly into a legal and 00:29:20.240 --> 00:29:23.240 moral dead end. Instead, 00:29:23.760 --> 00:29:25.576 let's do what is just. 00:29:25.600 --> 00:29:26.216 Okay. 00:29:26.240 --> 00:29:28.696 What is fair and what is right and 00:29:28.720 --> 00:29:31.015 support the application. Now, councelor 00:29:31.039 --> 00:29:33.176 Kes withdraw any inference that there 00:29:33.200 --> 00:29:35.496 was maliciousness on based on this 00:29:35.520 --> 00:29:37.096 determination by council staff or 00:29:37.120 --> 00:29:40.120 unfairness. 00:29:40.240 --> 00:29:43.240 I made no such inference. 00:29:43.279 --> 00:29:46.279 I think so the words that you said 00:29:47.039 --> 00:29:49.176 I didn't say council staff. I didn't I 00:29:49.200 --> 00:29:50.216 didn't 00:29:50.240 --> 00:29:51.895 Okay. 00:29:51.919 --> 00:29:54.919 big. In fact, in fact, my my specific 00:29:55.520 --> 00:29:58.520 implication is that um is that a lot of 00:29:58.960 --> 00:30:01.416 the a lot of the decisions around how 00:30:01.440 --> 00:30:04.440 the leap were applied were perhaps done 00:30:05.200 --> 00:30:08.135 by a wider group than council staff. I'd 00:30:08.159 --> 00:30:11.159 made no I made I wouldn't I was not very 00:30:11.520 --> 00:30:13.895 specific in outlining that that was 00:30:13.919 --> 00:30:15.576 maliciousness by council staff. 00:30:15.600 --> 00:30:18.600 Okay, accepted. 00:30:18.960 --> 00:30:20.775 Okay. , councelor Tatrai, would you 00:30:20.799 --> 00:30:23.799 like to speak to the motion? 00:30:26.399 --> 00:30:29.399 Thanks, Mayor. Um, 00:30:29.520 --> 00:30:32.520 I agree with councelor Kanes and he's 00:30:32.880 --> 00:30:35.736 right. We have two choices. We say no 00:30:35.760 --> 00:30:38.760 and we leave a sterilized block of land 00:30:38.880 --> 00:30:41.176 or we say yes and we allow this people 00:30:41.200 --> 00:30:43.576 to build a home. 00:30:43.600 --> 00:30:45.576 It makes no sense to just leave an empty 00:30:45.600 --> 00:30:48.296 block of land. 00:30:48.320 --> 00:30:50.296 None at all. 00:30:50.320 --> 00:30:52.056 I I' I'd wonder what they would do with 00:30:52.080 --> 00:30:53.816 it. They've paid for the land. Yes, they 00:30:53.840 --> 00:30:56.375 missed the sunset clause. 00:30:56.399 --> 00:30:59.015 But isn't it up to us to start cutting 00:30:59.039 --> 00:31:01.015 red tape and start looking towards 00:31:01.039 --> 00:31:02.696 helping people? We say we want homes. 00:31:02.720 --> 00:31:04.456 They want to build one and we're 00:31:04.480 --> 00:31:06.216 debating it. 00:31:06.240 --> 00:31:07.736 Thank you. 00:31:07.760 --> 00:31:09.255 Thanks, Councelor Tatrai. We got 00:31:09.279 --> 00:31:10.856 councelor 00:31:10.880 --> 00:31:13.655 Councelor Draisma. Councelor Dma, if 00:31:13.679 --> 00:31:15.736 you're happy to wait. Councelor Brown. 00:31:15.760 --> 00:31:17.655 Thanks, Mr. Mayor. I would just like to 00:31:17.679 --> 00:31:20.456 foreshadow that should this motion fail 00:31:20.480 --> 00:31:22.456 that I I wouldn't want to foreshadow 00:31:22.480 --> 00:31:25.255 our motion, the original motion. 00:31:25.279 --> 00:31:27.416 Thanks, Councelor Drezel. 00:31:27.440 --> 00:31:29.336 Councelor Brown. 00:31:29.360 --> 00:31:31.816 thank you, Mayor. firstly, I'd 00:31:31.840 --> 00:31:34.456 just like to say that I actually don't 00:31:34.480 --> 00:31:36.696 disagree with a word of councelor 00:31:36.720 --> 00:31:38.616 Kanes. In fact, I think it's a very 00:31:38.640 --> 00:31:41.176 cogent argument he has put forward to 00:31:41.200 --> 00:31:44.200 this council chamber and I have 00:31:45.120 --> 00:31:47.895 oscillated back and forth between my 00:31:47.919 --> 00:31:49.895 decision on this over the last number of 00:31:49.919 --> 00:31:51.895 days. And one of the reasons is that 00:31:51.919 --> 00:31:54.296 councelor Kanes keeps putting forward 00:31:54.320 --> 00:31:57.320 very compelling and cogent reasons why 00:31:57.360 --> 00:32:00.360 we should support his motion. But Mr. 00:32:01.679 --> 00:32:04.375 I can't support this motion simply 00:32:04.399 --> 00:32:07.399 because it's against our LEP. Our LEP is 00:32:08.799 --> 00:32:10.856 the main law that we all have to abide 00:32:10.880 --> 00:32:13.880 by. Now, I disagree with councelor 00:32:15.600 --> 00:32:18.600 Tatrai saying we can do this or we can 00:32:18.799 --> 00:32:21.799 do that. I'd like to see if we can do a 00:32:22.000 --> 00:32:24.696 third way. I'd like to see a way we can 00:32:24.720 --> 00:32:27.720 amend our LEP so that 00:32:29.039 --> 00:32:32.039 this applicant can legally put forward 00:32:33.679 --> 00:32:36.679 an application to this council where our 00:32:37.200 --> 00:32:39.416 LEP will support 00:32:39.440 --> 00:32:42.135 such such a building. There have been 00:32:42.159 --> 00:32:44.696 number of times, Mr. Mayor, where I've 00:32:44.720 --> 00:32:46.936 had to vote against where I want to on 00:32:46.960 --> 00:32:49.960 these leap Matters. , one of them 00:32:50.159 --> 00:32:53.159 was Golden Valley out in Jambaroo. I had 00:32:53.360 --> 00:32:55.096 some serious concerns about that 00:32:55.120 --> 00:32:57.655 particular development, but because the 00:32:57.679 --> 00:33:00.296 leap said it was a compliant 00:33:00.320 --> 00:33:02.856 development, I felt obliged as a 00:33:02.880 --> 00:33:04.456 counselor 00:33:04.480 --> 00:33:07.336 to vote in favour of it. Similarly, 00:33:07.360 --> 00:33:09.176 tonight 00:33:09.200 --> 00:33:12.135 it is very clear what the LEP has said 00:33:12.159 --> 00:33:15.159 and that LEP came about because of state 00:33:15.919 --> 00:33:18.775 government planning policies that were 00:33:18.799 --> 00:33:21.336 put right across New South Wales, not 00:33:21.360 --> 00:33:23.816 just Cayama, right across New South 00:33:23.840 --> 00:33:26.535 Wales. And they set up this arbitrary 00:33:26.559 --> 00:33:29.015 crazy sunset clause, which I totally 00:33:29.039 --> 00:33:31.416 disagree with. So, if I was to look at 00:33:31.440 --> 00:33:33.495 this objectively, yes, of course, I'll 00:33:33.519 --> 00:33:35.976 throw my support behind it. But as a 00:33:36.000 --> 00:33:38.296 counselor here, one of my main jobs is 00:33:38.320 --> 00:33:41.320 to actually uphold our own LEP and when 00:33:41.440 --> 00:33:43.736 we find faults with it, look at ways of 00:33:43.760 --> 00:33:45.495 changing it. So that's what I would like 00:33:45.519 --> 00:33:48.375 to do, Mr. Mayor. not support councelor 00:33:48.399 --> 00:33:51.176 Kanes's motion tonight but support it 00:33:51.200 --> 00:33:54.200 totally in principle and we as a 00:33:54.399 --> 00:33:56.535 governing body work out a way where we 00:33:56.559 --> 00:33:59.559 can amend our leap and get a number of 00:34:00.480 --> 00:34:03.480 these lots to a position where 00:34:04.000 --> 00:34:06.775 applicants can put forward their 00:34:06.799 --> 00:34:09.016 development application and whereas a 00:34:09.040 --> 00:34:11.016 council can consider it on the merits 00:34:11.040 --> 00:34:12.855 according to the planning document which 00:34:12.879 --> 00:34:15.496 we are meant to uphold. So with a 00:34:15.520 --> 00:34:16.936 heavy heart Mr. me. I will not be 00:34:16.960 --> 00:34:19.655 supporting Councelor Kane's motion 00:34:19.679 --> 00:34:21.976 even though he has been extremely 00:34:22.000 --> 00:34:25.000 persuasive. but I do think there is a 00:34:25.280 --> 00:34:27.416 third way and I'd like us to explore 00:34:27.440 --> 00:34:29.815 that in the very near future because 00:34:29.839 --> 00:34:32.375 I do think it's crazy having these 00:34:32.399 --> 00:34:34.055 sterilized blocks of land that are no 00:34:34.079 --> 00:34:36.936 good for anything else other than 00:34:36.960 --> 00:34:39.960 housing people. so that's how I'll 00:34:40.079 --> 00:34:41.895 be voting tonight. 00:34:41.919 --> 00:34:44.536 Thanks, Councelor Brown. Councelor 00:34:44.560 --> 00:34:46.135 Larkins. 00:34:46.159 --> 00:34:48.776 yeah, mine was actually just a 00:34:48.800 --> 00:34:50.776 question through to the director. 00:34:50.800 --> 00:34:52.855 Obviously, we've heard conversations 00:34:52.879 --> 00:34:55.815 about the leap um and the principle for 00:34:55.839 --> 00:34:58.536 why this is why the staff had assessed 00:34:58.560 --> 00:35:01.560 it for um refusal. I just wanted to get 00:35:01.680 --> 00:35:04.680 some brief um information about also the 00:35:05.280 --> 00:35:07.976 bushfire risk um that has been 00:35:08.000 --> 00:35:09.496 referenced in the report. It was 00:35:09.520 --> 00:35:11.815 referenced at public access last night 00:35:11.839 --> 00:35:14.376 cuz my understanding is it's not just 00:35:14.400 --> 00:35:16.216 being refused based on the leap but 00:35:16.240 --> 00:35:17.976 there was some other um issues 00:35:18.000 --> 00:35:19.736 associated. Could I just get some um 00:35:19.760 --> 00:35:22.760 brief information on that please? 00:35:23.920 --> 00:35:25.656 Director through the CEO 00:35:25.680 --> 00:35:26.776 through Mayor. Thank you for the 00:35:26.800 --> 00:35:29.656 question. Yes, there is some 00:35:29.680 --> 00:35:31.256 if you like discrepancy between the 00:35:31.280 --> 00:35:32.696 submitted plans and the submitted 00:35:32.720 --> 00:35:35.176 bushfire assessment report. So the 00:35:35.200 --> 00:35:38.200 bushfire report has identified this site 00:35:38.320 --> 00:35:41.320 as being a bal 29 um for the purposes of 00:35:42.240 --> 00:35:44.055 planning for bushfire protection and 00:35:44.079 --> 00:35:45.736 there are some requirements around 00:35:45.760 --> 00:35:47.976 turning circles on the site for 00:35:48.000 --> 00:35:50.616 firefighting vehicles as well as easy 00:35:50.640 --> 00:35:52.856 access to the required 20,000 L 00:35:52.880 --> 00:35:55.575 rainwater tanks. Um you will see in your 00:35:55.599 --> 00:35:57.656 enclosures that there is no turning 00:35:57.680 --> 00:36:00.456 circle on the pardon me on the plans at 00:36:00.480 --> 00:36:03.016 present nor the rainwater tanks are 00:36:03.040 --> 00:36:04.616 really on the other side of the building 00:36:04.640 --> 00:36:07.640 as well. So it might be pardon me going 00:36:08.320 --> 00:36:10.055 through a bit of a cult. it might be 00:36:10.079 --> 00:36:12.055 difficult for the tankers to gain access 00:36:12.079 --> 00:36:15.079 to those rainwater tanks. 00:36:16.560 --> 00:36:18.296 Councelor Warren. 00:36:18.320 --> 00:36:21.320 Thank you Mayor. Um, 00:36:21.920 --> 00:36:24.920 I'd like to speak um for councelor 00:36:25.040 --> 00:36:28.040 Kane's motion um regarding the allotment 00:36:28.720 --> 00:36:31.720 and noting no application for erection 00:36:32.079 --> 00:36:34.856 of a dwelling house was made within 5 00:36:34.880 --> 00:36:37.880 years of the commencement of the plan 00:36:38.000 --> 00:36:40.936 being the 16th of December 00:36:40.960 --> 00:36:43.095 2016 and therefore the land does not 00:36:43.119 --> 00:36:45.656 benefit from a dwelling entitlement. The 00:36:45.680 --> 00:36:47.976 extinguishment of any dwelling 00:36:48.000 --> 00:36:50.216 entitlement under sub clause 4 is the 00:36:50.240 --> 00:36:53.240 planned development outcome. I ask you 00:36:53.359 --> 00:36:55.976 to consider that at public access last 00:36:56.000 --> 00:36:58.536 night the owner was not in a position to 00:36:58.560 --> 00:37:01.560 build within that 5-year time frame. 00:37:04.480 --> 00:37:07.480 And when buying land regardless of this 00:37:07.839 --> 00:37:10.616 clause, 00:37:10.640 --> 00:37:12.136 should we really be telling somebody 00:37:12.160 --> 00:37:14.696 when they can and can't build? There are 00:37:14.720 --> 00:37:17.720 many blocks of similar size to this one 00:37:17.920 --> 00:37:20.456 all through the Mount Brandon Road area. 00:37:20.480 --> 00:37:22.696 So, is it unreasonable for us to deny 00:37:22.720 --> 00:37:25.720 this DA approval based on this clause? 00:37:26.400 --> 00:37:29.400 I personally don't think so. 00:37:29.920 --> 00:37:31.896 In considering my support for this DA, 00:37:31.920 --> 00:37:33.496 we need to be reasonable in our 00:37:33.520 --> 00:37:35.575 decision-making and consider the 00:37:35.599 --> 00:37:38.599 objectives of the LAP along with council 00:37:38.800 --> 00:37:40.936 staff providing an option in the 00:37:40.960 --> 00:37:43.176 business papers to approve this DA with 00:37:43.200 --> 00:37:45.976 conditions of consent. This is a piece 00:37:46.000 --> 00:37:47.815 of land that is no longer suitable for 00:37:47.839 --> 00:37:50.456 agricultural use and in the past was 00:37:50.480 --> 00:37:53.480 earmarked as a lifestyle block and there 00:37:54.240 --> 00:37:56.456 are multiple blocks 00:37:56.480 --> 00:37:58.616 of this size with residential housing 00:37:58.640 --> 00:38:01.416 already on Mount Brandon Road. 00:38:01.440 --> 00:38:03.896 It's not ad hoc development. It was 00:38:03.920 --> 00:38:06.136 always earmarked as for residential 00:38:06.160 --> 00:38:09.160 buildings. to the director. How many 00:38:09.200 --> 00:38:12.200 lots like this and of this size are 00:38:12.880 --> 00:38:15.256 still within our LGA? 00:38:15.280 --> 00:38:16.936 As discussed last night with the 00:38:16.960 --> 00:38:19.896 director, we will we will be putting our 00:38:19.920 --> 00:38:22.376 rural land strategy and changes to our 00:38:22.400 --> 00:38:25.400 LAP from 2026 and this would be 00:38:25.520 --> 00:38:28.520 finalized I believe in around mid 27. 00:38:29.760 --> 00:38:32.376 Consider this. And now consider that if 00:38:32.400 --> 00:38:35.256 you owned a block of land 00:38:35.280 --> 00:38:38.280 of similar size in rural Cayama and 00:38:39.040 --> 00:38:41.095 you've been thinking about starting a DA 00:38:41.119 --> 00:38:43.416 and building process, by the time you 00:38:43.440 --> 00:38:45.896 have the land surveyed, all the plans 00:38:45.920 --> 00:38:48.696 drawn up and you you go through the DA 00:38:48.720 --> 00:38:51.016 process, I think it would be reasonable 00:38:51.040 --> 00:38:53.256 to think that this process might take 12 00:38:53.280 --> 00:38:55.256 to 18 months. 00:38:55.280 --> 00:38:57.256 So given this time frame in relation to 00:38:57.280 --> 00:39:00.280 the rural land strategy and LAP changes, 00:39:00.400 --> 00:39:03.256 we are close to similar timelines. 00:39:03.280 --> 00:39:06.280 So for those of you who think approving 00:39:06.480 --> 00:39:09.480 this DA might create an influx of DAS 00:39:09.680 --> 00:39:12.680 such as this, it's probably unlikely. I 00:39:12.800 --> 00:39:14.936 think land owners would take this into 00:39:14.960 --> 00:39:16.856 account and and wait for the changes 00:39:16.880 --> 00:39:19.880 that that we would put forward. Also to 00:39:20.000 --> 00:39:22.696 the director, with the bushfire rating 00:39:22.720 --> 00:39:24.776 of this piece of land, do the other 00:39:24.800 --> 00:39:27.335 homes on Mount Brandon Road sit in the 00:39:27.359 --> 00:39:30.359 same fire rating as as this application? 00:39:32.480 --> 00:39:34.856 Susan Edwards stated public access that 00:39:34.880 --> 00:39:37.176 that the owner feels confident in 00:39:37.200 --> 00:39:40.200 satisfying conditions of consent. 00:39:40.400 --> 00:39:43.335 Given the risk of a likely LEC challenge 00:39:43.359 --> 00:39:46.359 of refusal and subsequent costs, is 00:39:46.880 --> 00:39:49.095 there merit in talking to the applicant 00:39:49.119 --> 00:39:51.176 to ensure that the conditions of consent 00:39:51.200 --> 00:39:53.736 can be met? And would the risks 00:39:53.760 --> 00:39:55.896 associated with this DA be mitigated 00:39:55.920 --> 00:39:57.736 through the conditions of consent listed 00:39:57.760 --> 00:40:00.376 on pages 251 00:40:00.400 --> 00:40:03.400 to 262 of the enclosures document? 00:40:04.320 --> 00:40:06.696 Or any additional conditions that may be 00:40:06.720 --> 00:40:09.335 required? Could the director provide a 00:40:09.359 --> 00:40:11.416 rough estimate of legal costs we could 00:40:11.440 --> 00:40:14.440 possibly incur um based on past 00:40:14.480 --> 00:40:17.480 experience should this um application go 00:40:18.160 --> 00:40:20.296 further? 00:40:20.320 --> 00:40:22.776 Council looked at rural land locations 00:40:22.800 --> 00:40:24.536 during the development of the housing 00:40:24.560 --> 00:40:26.776 strategy. Could these lots have been 00:40:26.800 --> 00:40:29.416 included in the housing strategy and 00:40:29.440 --> 00:40:32.440 included in our housing numbers? 00:40:33.200 --> 00:40:36.200 Clause 4.63 63 LEP 2011 permits 00:40:37.839 --> 00:40:40.839 variation where a compliance with the 00:40:41.440 --> 00:40:44.296 standard is unreasonable or unnecessary 00:40:44.320 --> 00:40:46.296 in the circumstances 00:40:46.320 --> 00:40:48.456 and there are sufficient environmental 00:40:48.480 --> 00:40:51.480 planning grounds to justify justify the 00:40:51.760 --> 00:40:53.496 contravention. 00:40:53.520 --> 00:40:56.376 An argument could be made that pre that 00:40:56.400 --> 00:40:58.376 previous decision which led to the 00:40:58.400 --> 00:41:01.400 creation of the undersized lot allowed 00:41:01.440 --> 00:41:04.440 fragmentation to occur in which 00:41:05.440 --> 00:41:08.440 turn which in turn led to the sterile 00:41:08.560 --> 00:41:11.560 parcel of agricultural land. This meets 00:41:12.000 --> 00:41:14.696 the requirements of 4.63 00:41:14.720 --> 00:41:16.936 as the objectives of the zone are now 00:41:16.960 --> 00:41:19.176 unachievable. 00:41:19.200 --> 00:41:21.176 I'm of view that if not approved 00:41:21.200 --> 00:41:23.656 ultimately this is another litigation 00:41:23.680 --> 00:41:25.575 loss for council and I don't think we 00:41:25.599 --> 00:41:28.216 can go down that route route. The 00:41:28.240 --> 00:41:31.240 insertion of clause 4.63 in the leap 00:41:31.440 --> 00:41:33.815 recognizes that strict application of 00:41:33.839 --> 00:41:36.839 standards can produce unfair or absurd 00:41:37.440 --> 00:41:38.295 results. 00:41:38.319 --> 00:41:39.496 Thanks Council Warren. 00:41:39.520 --> 00:41:42.520 I will I have one more question I 00:41:43.040 --> 00:41:43.815 believe. 00:41:43.839 --> 00:41:45.016 One more question. 00:41:45.040 --> 00:41:48.040 Yeah. and then we'll refer to the CEO 00:41:48.160 --> 00:41:49.896 and the director to answer those 00:41:49.920 --> 00:41:50.616 questions. 00:41:50.640 --> 00:41:52.936 Can I just finish the paragraph that 00:41:52.960 --> 00:41:55.095 goes with it because it won't make sense 00:41:55.119 --> 00:41:57.016 otherwise. 00:41:57.040 --> 00:41:59.896 Um straight to the question. 00:41:59.920 --> 00:42:02.920 Okay. It's in relation to clause 4.63 00:42:04.000 --> 00:42:07.000 um and the results. The lot was legally 00:42:07.280 --> 00:42:10.280 created by council. Um as previously 00:42:11.119 --> 00:42:13.176 stated, it's no. Would the denying the 00:42:13.200 --> 00:42:16.200 application deny a potential an a 00:42:17.760 --> 00:42:20.760 potential reasonable use? If so, isn't 00:42:21.440 --> 00:42:24.440 this a contravention of S 4.151C 00:42:26.480 --> 00:42:29.256 of the EPNA act in public interest, 00:42:29.280 --> 00:42:31.256 which requires decision makers under 00:42:31.280 --> 00:42:33.016 S3.1C 00:42:33.040 --> 00:42:35.016 to promote orderly and economic use of 00:42:35.040 --> 00:42:36.055 the land. 00:42:36.079 --> 00:42:38.055 Thanks, Council Warren. Do you want to 00:42:38.079 --> 00:42:41.079 take that? Coun CEO. 00:42:41.200 --> 00:42:42.696 I'm happy for the director. 00:42:42.720 --> 00:42:45.095 I'm sure you are. 00:42:45.119 --> 00:42:48.119 Yeah, 00:42:51.599 --> 00:42:53.815 I've got that as one of the questions. 00:42:53.839 --> 00:42:54.856 Captured all of your questions. 00:42:54.880 --> 00:42:57.656 We're just confirming the questions. 00:42:57.680 --> 00:43:00.680 Well, there were more than three 00:43:01.040 --> 00:43:03.335 and some of them were double bungers. 00:43:03.359 --> 00:43:04.696 through through you, Mayor, and thank 00:43:04.720 --> 00:43:06.936 you for the questions. if I 00:43:06.960 --> 00:43:08.295 understand correctly, your first 00:43:08.319 --> 00:43:10.456 question was in regards to how many lots 00:43:10.480 --> 00:43:13.335 parcels are there um throughout the 00:43:13.359 --> 00:43:14.856 municipality 00:43:14.880 --> 00:43:17.016 of a similar size or less than the 00:43:17.040 --> 00:43:19.335 minimum lot size. We've run the numbers 00:43:19.359 --> 00:43:21.896 today. So that the analysis has been 00:43:21.920 --> 00:43:24.696 undertaken of how many RU1 primary 00:43:24.720 --> 00:43:27.720 production, RU2 rural landscape, 3C um 00:43:28.160 --> 00:43:29.815 environmental 00:43:29.839 --> 00:43:32.055 living I think it is. Lost my memory for 00:43:32.079 --> 00:43:33.575 a second there. that are less than the 00:43:33.599 --> 00:43:36.599 minimum lot size but greater than this 00:43:36.800 --> 00:43:39.095 size lot 4,000 square meters and there 00:43:39.119 --> 00:43:42.055 are a total of 165 lots that are within 00:43:42.079 --> 00:43:44.136 that category. The reason why we haven't 00:43:44.160 --> 00:43:45.736 narrowed down to how many are there that 00:43:45.760 --> 00:43:48.760 are 4,000 lots is um you know a decision 00:43:48.800 --> 00:43:51.416 is made here of 4,000 that sort of in 00:43:51.440 --> 00:43:54.055 essence sense a new benchmark through a 00:43:54.079 --> 00:43:57.079 decision-m process. You then asked 00:43:57.440 --> 00:43:59.256 particularly of the small lots within 00:43:59.280 --> 00:44:01.416 that Mount Brandon road, how many of 00:44:01.440 --> 00:44:03.095 them would have similar bow 00:44:03.119 --> 00:44:05.176 requirements. I can't give you that 00:44:05.200 --> 00:44:07.976 answer today. How bowel assessments are 00:44:08.000 --> 00:44:11.000 made both on the vegetation within 00:44:11.040 --> 00:44:13.335 close proximity to the house, the 00:44:13.359 --> 00:44:15.095 positioning of that vegetation from the 00:44:15.119 --> 00:44:18.119 house, northeast, southwest, and the 00:44:18.560 --> 00:44:20.376 slope associated with it. So the steeper 00:44:20.400 --> 00:44:22.456 the slope, the more heavily vegetated, 00:44:22.480 --> 00:44:24.456 the higher the bow. Um and we get 00:44:24.480 --> 00:44:26.055 westerly wind. So if they come from the 00:44:26.079 --> 00:44:27.656 west, so it's it's very different 00:44:27.680 --> 00:44:29.496 depending on where you sit on the ridge 00:44:29.520 --> 00:44:31.815 line um and the slopes around you. So I 00:44:31.839 --> 00:44:33.416 can't give you a direct answer, but it 00:44:33.440 --> 00:44:35.896 would change all over the place. you 00:44:35.920 --> 00:44:38.376 then asked given that council have 00:44:38.400 --> 00:44:40.295 provided staff have provided conditions 00:44:40.319 --> 00:44:43.016 of consent. Is there a way forward here? 00:44:43.040 --> 00:44:45.095 When we provide you with any 00:44:45.119 --> 00:44:47.095 recommendation refusal, we always know 00:44:47.119 --> 00:44:48.936 that there's an opportunity for councils 00:44:48.960 --> 00:44:51.960 to counter that recommendation with a 00:44:52.160 --> 00:44:54.055 recommendation for an approval and we 00:44:54.079 --> 00:44:55.335 always give you the stock standard 00:44:55.359 --> 00:44:57.016 conditions of consent so that you have 00:44:57.040 --> 00:44:59.016 something to issue by a notice of 00:44:59.040 --> 00:45:00.456 determination. Otherwise, we just have 00:45:00.480 --> 00:45:01.896 to come back to you next month and say 00:45:01.920 --> 00:45:03.176 yes, you approved it, but you didn't 00:45:03.200 --> 00:45:05.736 give any conditions. So, here we go. 00:45:05.760 --> 00:45:08.376 we do have concerns as I mentioned in my 00:45:08.400 --> 00:45:11.256 response to council Larkins that in order 00:45:11.280 --> 00:45:13.176 to comply with the conditions of consent 00:45:13.200 --> 00:45:15.335 which say you must comply with the 00:45:15.359 --> 00:45:17.575 planning for bushfire report design 00:45:17.599 --> 00:45:19.256 changes would need to be made to the 00:45:19.280 --> 00:45:21.575 plans that are submitted. So that I 00:45:21.599 --> 00:45:24.599 suppose answers your question there. Um 00:45:24.640 --> 00:45:27.256 you then asked around costs associated 00:45:27.280 --> 00:45:29.095 with land environment court challenges. 00:45:29.119 --> 00:45:30.616 I can't give you an answer to that again 00:45:30.640 --> 00:45:33.095 because every case is different. um a 00:45:33.119 --> 00:45:34.696 case that runs all the way through to a 00:45:34.720 --> 00:45:36.776 full hearing costs us more than a case 00:45:36.800 --> 00:45:39.496 that we settled in mediation. It also 00:45:39.520 --> 00:45:41.815 depends on experts required, what the 00:45:41.839 --> 00:45:44.295 contentions filed by both parties. So, 00:45:44.319 --> 00:45:46.295 it's it's a range of Matters. If it's a 00:45:46.319 --> 00:45:48.456 straightforward point of law, you only 00:45:48.480 --> 00:45:49.976 engage solicitors. If there's 00:45:50.000 --> 00:45:52.216 environmental and planning and urban 00:45:52.240 --> 00:45:53.736 design and traffic, you have to engage 00:45:53.760 --> 00:45:55.736 more consultants. So, I I couldn't give 00:45:55.760 --> 00:45:58.616 you a cost on that. But as in response 00:45:58.640 --> 00:45:59.976 to that question I think I provided 00:46:00.000 --> 00:46:02.136 yesterday that as assessing officers we 00:46:02.160 --> 00:46:04.616 never take that point into consideration 00:46:04.640 --> 00:46:06.616 when we're assessing DAS we just assess 00:46:06.640 --> 00:46:08.616 them against the requirements of the 00:46:08.640 --> 00:46:10.696 LEAP and the DCP and the other various 00:46:10.720 --> 00:46:12.456 statutes including the objectives of the 00:46:12.480 --> 00:46:14.456 act and the various steps that may 00:46:14.480 --> 00:46:17.480 apply. you then asked why weren't 00:46:17.760 --> 00:46:19.575 these rural lots included in 00:46:19.599 --> 00:46:21.095 consideration of our local housing 00:46:21.119 --> 00:46:23.416 strategy? The local housing strategy is 00:46:23.440 --> 00:46:26.440 focused on urban housing outcomes rather 00:46:26.720 --> 00:46:29.720 than rural housing outcomes. So you will 00:46:29.760 --> 00:46:32.055 recall that the housing strategy focuses 00:46:32.079 --> 00:46:33.575 on opportunities for housing 00:46:33.599 --> 00:46:35.575 diversification in our existing towns 00:46:35.599 --> 00:46:38.216 and villages as well as urban expansion 00:46:38.240 --> 00:46:41.240 growth in our in our URAs. So it no it 00:46:41.280 --> 00:46:44.280 hasn't given consideration to that. You 00:46:44.319 --> 00:46:46.055 made a comment in that question around 00:46:46.079 --> 00:46:48.295 targets. The way the state government 00:46:48.319 --> 00:46:50.536 have calculated targets is purely based 00:46:50.560 --> 00:46:53.095 on the capacity of our infill system, 00:46:53.119 --> 00:46:55.815 not on rural and and those components 00:46:55.839 --> 00:46:57.095 because they're just saying of your 00:46:57.119 --> 00:46:59.335 existing zoned urban land, how many 00:46:59.359 --> 00:47:00.776 dwellings could you get now? So, no, 00:47:00.800 --> 00:47:03.575 these sites don't form part of that. And 00:47:03.599 --> 00:47:05.656 I think if I'm correct in saying your 00:47:05.680 --> 00:47:07.736 last and final question was in relation 00:47:07.760 --> 00:47:10.760 to clause 4.6 six sub clause three that 00:47:11.920 --> 00:47:14.856 makes reference to unreasonable 00:47:14.880 --> 00:47:16.776 um if the standard is unreasonable or 00:47:16.800 --> 00:47:18.696 unnecessary and if there are sufficient 00:47:18.720 --> 00:47:21.416 environmental planning grounds. So the 00:47:21.440 --> 00:47:23.176 word wording of that clause is that's 00:47:23.200 --> 00:47:25.815 the requirement um that we have to go 00:47:25.839 --> 00:47:27.256 through in the assessment and that is 00:47:27.280 --> 00:47:29.176 included quite thoroughly in the 00:47:29.200 --> 00:47:30.776 enclosure documents to you. We've 00:47:30.800 --> 00:47:33.016 provided you with the full 4.15 00:47:33.040 --> 00:47:35.256 assessment and I don't think I need to 00:47:35.280 --> 00:47:37.896 rehash ground. It's, you know, you will 00:47:37.920 --> 00:47:39.335 see it's quite a lengthy document here 00:47:39.359 --> 00:47:40.936 because we get the applicant's request 00:47:40.960 --> 00:47:43.496 of why they recommend or suggest it's 00:47:43.520 --> 00:47:45.095 unreasonable or unnecessary and what the 00:47:45.119 --> 00:47:47.176 environmental grounds and we've in this 00:47:47.200 --> 00:47:49.496 case disagreed with them um for the 00:47:49.520 --> 00:47:50.776 points that have been mentioned before 00:47:50.800 --> 00:47:53.656 in that yes, it's a significant 00:47:53.680 --> 00:47:55.496 variation to the current minimum lot 00:47:55.520 --> 00:47:58.136 size. Um the intent as we understand of 00:47:58.160 --> 00:48:00.856 the leap was to say beyond that 2016 00:48:00.880 --> 00:48:03.880 period, no more rural lots, rural 00:48:04.079 --> 00:48:06.616 residential lots. Um that's the writing 00:48:06.640 --> 00:48:08.055 in the in the statute and that's the 00:48:08.079 --> 00:48:10.376 position that we have taken. And then I 00:48:10.400 --> 00:48:11.736 suppose to add to that we have said 00:48:11.760 --> 00:48:13.335 there are issues around non-compliance 00:48:13.359 --> 00:48:15.256 with bushfire and as you heard the 00:48:15.280 --> 00:48:17.176 public access speaker there are some 00:48:17.200 --> 00:48:19.256 storm water conflicts with one of the 00:48:19.280 --> 00:48:21.575 secondary absorption trenches that may 00:48:21.599 --> 00:48:23.095 need to be addressed. So at the current 00:48:23.119 --> 00:48:24.776 design there are other environmental 00:48:24.800 --> 00:48:27.800 issues at play and I think that was all 00:48:28.240 --> 00:48:30.295 of your questions. 00:48:30.319 --> 00:48:31.416 Thank you. 00:48:31.440 --> 00:48:34.440 Are we right to go to councelor Draisma? 00:48:34.800 --> 00:48:37.176 Councelor Dma. 00:48:37.200 --> 00:48:39.815 Yeah, thanks Mr. Mayor. Look, um I 00:48:39.839 --> 00:48:42.696 appreciate um the high level 00:48:42.720 --> 00:48:45.176 consideration that my fellow councils 00:48:45.200 --> 00:48:47.176 have given to this particular matter. I 00:48:47.200 --> 00:48:50.200 just like to say that I can't support um 00:48:50.319 --> 00:48:53.016 councelor Kane's motion. Although 00:48:53.040 --> 00:48:55.416 some of the arguments that he raises are 00:48:55.440 --> 00:48:58.440 um very relevant to understanding and 00:48:58.480 --> 00:49:01.480 the implementation more broadly of LEAP, 00:49:01.599 --> 00:49:03.815 I think the well the plans that have 00:49:03.839 --> 00:49:05.976 been presented um by the applicant are 00:49:06.000 --> 00:49:07.976 well thought out for the challenges of 00:49:08.000 --> 00:49:10.616 the block. Um although the consideration 00:49:10.640 --> 00:49:13.496 of non-compliance um with bushfire 00:49:13.520 --> 00:49:15.256 requirements um is something that I 00:49:15.280 --> 00:49:18.280 can't overlook. Um the staff were very 00:49:18.960 --> 00:49:21.960 clear in their assessment of the 00:49:22.400 --> 00:49:25.176 application that they um could not be 00:49:25.200 --> 00:49:26.776 certain that the concerns around 00:49:26.800 --> 00:49:29.335 bushfire um had been addressed by the 00:49:29.359 --> 00:49:31.896 plans in their current their 00:49:31.920 --> 00:49:34.776 current condition. Um however obviously 00:49:34.800 --> 00:49:36.856 I note that the consultant that spoke 00:49:36.880 --> 00:49:39.256 on behalf of the proponent of the DA 00:49:39.280 --> 00:49:41.176 last night gave an undertaking that um 00:49:41.200 --> 00:49:43.256 that could be effectively managed. I 00:49:43.280 --> 00:49:44.456 don't think that that's something that 00:49:44.480 --> 00:49:47.480 should happen um within the the confines 00:49:47.839 --> 00:49:49.335 of public access. That's something that 00:49:49.359 --> 00:49:51.016 should have been embedded in the 00:49:51.040 --> 00:49:52.776 plans themselves and and the turning 00:49:52.800 --> 00:49:54.856 circle for access for fire vehicles 00:49:54.880 --> 00:49:57.335 is very important in ensuring safety 00:49:57.359 --> 00:49:59.016 of all the occupants of any dwelling 00:49:59.040 --> 00:50:00.936 that's built on the block. I think there 00:50:00.960 --> 00:50:03.095 are obviously some um interesting 00:50:03.119 --> 00:50:05.176 challenges around the history of this 00:50:05.200 --> 00:50:08.200 particular block. but as was noted um 00:50:08.640 --> 00:50:11.256 by staff yesterday, the applicant was 00:50:11.280 --> 00:50:13.496 aware um at the time of purchasing the 00:50:13.520 --> 00:50:15.815 block um that it would be very difficult 00:50:15.839 --> 00:50:18.535 difficult if not impossible to build 00:50:18.559 --> 00:50:21.256 and that many inquiries were made um by 00:50:21.280 --> 00:50:22.856 potential purchases at the time that 00:50:22.880 --> 00:50:25.095 this block was put up for sale most 00:50:25.119 --> 00:50:28.119 recently. and the the item before us 00:50:28.960 --> 00:50:30.856 came to us under the assertion that the 00:50:30.880 --> 00:50:32.696 proponent wanted to proceed with it even 00:50:32.720 --> 00:50:34.535 though they knew that there were several 00:50:34.559 --> 00:50:36.936 non-compliances and wanted it to come 00:50:36.960 --> 00:50:39.335 before the full council for our our 00:50:39.359 --> 00:50:41.496 final decision. I think that obviously 00:50:41.520 --> 00:50:43.256 there's some merit in the discussion 00:50:43.280 --> 00:50:45.736 that we're having. Um, but I think it 00:50:45.760 --> 00:50:48.456 would be um ill- advised of us to try 00:50:48.480 --> 00:50:51.016 and um substantiate 00:50:51.040 --> 00:50:54.040 um a a failure of a of a legal case that 00:50:54.160 --> 00:50:57.016 is yet to happen based on a precedent 00:50:57.040 --> 00:51:00.040 that was set by a previous case of 00:51:00.880 --> 00:51:02.776 SHARP. Um when the characteristics of 00:51:02.800 --> 00:51:04.856 that block are very different to this 00:51:04.880 --> 00:51:07.176 one. Um there are inherent challenges 00:51:07.200 --> 00:51:09.656 that are um very specific to this block 00:51:09.680 --> 00:51:12.535 of land and they mostly relate not just 00:51:12.559 --> 00:51:15.416 to the application of the LEP um but 00:51:15.440 --> 00:51:17.896 fundamental aspects of our planning 00:51:17.920 --> 00:51:20.856 documents um both state and leap and 00:51:20.880 --> 00:51:22.776 that's something that I can't overlook 00:51:22.800 --> 00:51:25.256 um and I hope that um potentially that 00:51:25.280 --> 00:51:28.280 the the applicant will um will come back 00:51:29.040 --> 00:51:32.040 to council with a an application that is 00:51:33.520 --> 00:51:35.496 successful in addressing those 00:51:35.520 --> 00:51:38.136 fundamental concerns about bushfire 00:51:38.160 --> 00:51:40.856 and making sure that our water supply is 00:51:40.880 --> 00:51:43.880 accessible on the site as well. 00:51:44.960 --> 00:51:47.960 Thanks councelor Draisma Council Lawton. 00:51:48.720 --> 00:51:51.720 Thank you Mayor. Um 00:51:51.760 --> 00:51:54.760 so whilst the strategy focus on focuses 00:51:55.280 --> 00:51:57.656 on urban growth it does form part of a 00:51:57.680 --> 00:51:59.736 broader framework to to guide 00:51:59.760 --> 00:52:02.136 development consistently. 00:52:02.160 --> 00:52:03.976 The housing strategy was recently 00:52:04.000 --> 00:52:07.000 endorsed by eight of counselors. 00:52:07.520 --> 00:52:09.575 This strategy was endorsed as the 00:52:09.599 --> 00:52:11.575 overarching document to avoid the very 00:52:11.599 --> 00:52:13.496 peace meal outcomes this proposal 00:52:13.520 --> 00:52:16.520 represents. So our community values 00:52:16.559 --> 00:52:18.696 rural lands and the rolling green hills, 00:52:18.720 --> 00:52:20.376 which is a commitment some of you made 00:52:20.400 --> 00:52:23.400 in your election campaign to maintain. 00:52:23.839 --> 00:52:25.976 This application conflicts with those 00:52:26.000 --> 00:52:28.696 commitments. The lot is undersized and 00:52:28.720 --> 00:52:30.696 has no dwelling entitlement. And as the 00:52:30.720 --> 00:52:32.856 planning team has advised, the proposal 00:52:32.880 --> 00:52:35.416 does not adequately address or resolve 00:52:35.440 --> 00:52:37.416 bushfire risk, storm water, sewer 00:52:37.440 --> 00:52:39.095 conflicts, 00:52:39.119 --> 00:52:40.936 its incompatibility with the 00:52:40.960 --> 00:52:43.016 potential of surrounding agriculture 00:52:43.040 --> 00:52:45.736 uses. And it also adjoins C2 land where 00:52:45.760 --> 00:52:47.976 the purpose is to protect ecological and 00:52:48.000 --> 00:52:49.416 cultural values and maintain 00:52:49.440 --> 00:52:52.136 environmental buffers. We mustn't just 00:52:52.160 --> 00:52:54.936 look at the individual parcel. 00:52:54.960 --> 00:52:56.696 Approving this would potentially set a 00:52:56.720 --> 00:52:59.335 precedent across the LGA, encouraging 00:52:59.359 --> 00:53:01.496 the ad hoc development that so many of 00:53:01.520 --> 00:53:04.520 us have asked for not to occur. 00:53:06.400 --> 00:53:07.736 These Matters should be addressed 00:53:07.760 --> 00:53:09.176 through the upcoming rural land 00:53:09.200 --> 00:53:12.200 strategy, not a one-off application. I 00:53:12.480 --> 00:53:14.376 do disagree with councelor Warren when 00:53:14.400 --> 00:53:16.776 you suggest that potentially there's no 00:53:16.800 --> 00:53:18.616 one waiting in the wings to submit their 00:53:18.640 --> 00:53:21.176 DA. You would be surprised at how many 00:53:21.200 --> 00:53:22.936 applicants have already prepared for 00:53:22.960 --> 00:53:25.095 such an approval. 00:53:25.119 --> 00:53:27.256 Concerns about legal challenges should 00:53:27.280 --> 00:53:30.055 not influence these decisions. Such 00:53:30.079 --> 00:53:31.575 thoughts amount to a planning by 00:53:31.599 --> 00:53:33.416 blackmail and undermine the council's 00:53:33.440 --> 00:53:36.216 strategic framework. For these reasons, 00:53:36.240 --> 00:53:38.535 unfortunately, I cannot support the 00:53:38.559 --> 00:53:41.095 application. Council must uphold the 00:53:41.119 --> 00:53:42.936 current LEP and the non-compliance 00:53:42.960 --> 00:53:45.960 issues addressed in this application. 00:53:46.559 --> 00:53:48.376 We must ensure development remains 00:53:48.400 --> 00:53:50.535 orderly, sustainable, and aligned with 00:53:50.559 --> 00:53:53.559 community expectations. 00:53:54.400 --> 00:53:57.095 Thanks, council. Any further comments, 00:53:57.119 --> 00:53:59.095 quers? I'll just make a quick comment. I 00:53:59.119 --> 00:54:02.119 think um as you've heard, it's it's a 00:54:03.359 --> 00:54:05.335 it's a very divisive issue this one in 00:54:05.359 --> 00:54:07.335 that it's very complex, but also it goes 00:54:07.359 --> 00:54:09.416 to the root of um some of the 00:54:09.440 --> 00:54:12.295 deficiencies in our LEP. Um and 00:54:12.319 --> 00:54:14.216 certainly we're looking at that rural 00:54:14.240 --> 00:54:16.456 housing strategy to address some of the 00:54:16.480 --> 00:54:19.480 pressures that are on our um rural um 00:54:19.520 --> 00:54:22.520 constituents. Essentially, you have 00:54:22.720 --> 00:54:24.616 farmers out there that have larger 00:54:24.640 --> 00:54:26.696 blocks that can't um can't do anything 00:54:26.720 --> 00:54:29.720 with them apart from um you know go down 00:54:29.760 --> 00:54:32.136 a planning pathway which isn't desirable 00:54:32.160 --> 00:54:35.160 or um in support of that rural 00:54:36.640 --> 00:54:39.640 lifestyle. Um, so we did discuss um, you 00:54:41.520 --> 00:54:43.736 know, amendments to the leap early on in 00:54:43.760 --> 00:54:44.856 our term and I think that that's 00:54:44.880 --> 00:54:46.055 something that we definitely have to 00:54:46.079 --> 00:54:48.136 consider, but I would just say that it 00:54:48.160 --> 00:54:51.160 is a significant um, issue um, that 00:54:52.720 --> 00:54:54.616 we've been confronted with today and it 00:54:54.640 --> 00:54:56.295 is a difficult decision to make and I 00:54:56.319 --> 00:54:57.815 commend councelor Brown, council, 00:54:57.839 --> 00:55:00.055 councelor Kanes and certainly Warren and 00:55:00.079 --> 00:55:03.079 Draisma um for um, for 00:55:04.319 --> 00:55:07.319 , dissecting what is is in front of 00:55:07.760 --> 00:55:10.760 us. Um and um I would just like to to 00:55:12.240 --> 00:55:15.240 commend the the debate. Um but certainly 00:55:16.000 --> 00:55:18.055 to consider that we do need to look at 00:55:18.079 --> 00:55:20.055 that leap. We do need to consider the 00:55:20.079 --> 00:55:23.079 rural land strategy. It is more this 00:55:23.200 --> 00:55:25.736 this matter than just a a development on 00:55:25.760 --> 00:55:27.176 an undersized lot. There are some 00:55:27.200 --> 00:55:29.575 significant planning issues with it. um 00:55:29.599 --> 00:55:32.599 as we've heard from um councelor Draisma 00:55:32.640 --> 00:55:34.616 that um she would hope that the 00:55:34.640 --> 00:55:37.640 applicant if if this is to to not be 00:55:38.880 --> 00:55:41.736 approved to um to come back with a a 00:55:41.760 --> 00:55:44.760 modified plan. Um but essentially um I 00:55:46.000 --> 00:55:48.696 think that it is um where this council 00:55:48.720 --> 00:55:50.376 wants to go. We want to be seen that we 00:55:50.400 --> 00:55:52.376 are assisting our constituents that 00:55:52.400 --> 00:55:53.896 essentially we're considering these 00:55:53.920 --> 00:55:56.136 issues and we're trying to move forward 00:55:56.160 --> 00:55:58.376 where there have been roadblocks. um 00:55:58.400 --> 00:56:00.775 previously we would like to to work 00:56:00.799 --> 00:56:02.775 through those roadblocks. So essentially 00:56:02.799 --> 00:56:05.799 um that's um where I think that 00:56:06.799 --> 00:56:08.696 where we are heading as a council. 00:56:08.720 --> 00:56:10.136 Councelor Kes, would you like your right 00:56:10.160 --> 00:56:11.176 a reply? 00:56:11.200 --> 00:56:12.696 Yeah, just briefly. Thank you, Mr. 00:56:12.720 --> 00:56:14.616 Mayor. 00:56:14.640 --> 00:56:17.640 You know, fellow councilors, um clause 00:56:18.000 --> 00:56:21.000 4.6 does give us the ability to consider 00:56:22.960 --> 00:56:25.960 exceptions to the development standards. 00:56:26.160 --> 00:56:29.160 It's not completely right to say that if 00:56:29.839 --> 00:56:31.896 something doesn't fit the particular 00:56:31.920 --> 00:56:34.920 provisions of the leap, then we must 00:56:35.119 --> 00:56:38.119 we must reject it. The 4 the clause 4.6 00:56:39.520 --> 00:56:42.216 is there for that particular purpose. It 00:56:42.240 --> 00:56:44.936 gives us the right as councilors to 00:56:44.960 --> 00:56:46.856 approve a development that does not 00:56:46.880 --> 00:56:48.856 strictly comply with the numerical 00:56:48.880 --> 00:56:51.575 standards of the leap. And to some 00:56:51.599 --> 00:56:54.599 extent we have to do our job when we see 00:56:54.960 --> 00:56:57.960 that there is an unjust outcome where we 00:56:58.000 --> 00:57:00.936 see that we are recommended for instance 00:57:00.960 --> 00:57:03.960 to put the provisions of the leap or the 00:57:04.559 --> 00:57:07.559 process at a greater on a greater level 00:57:08.480 --> 00:57:11.480 than say a good and just outcome then we 00:57:12.559 --> 00:57:15.559 must consider in my view what is our job 00:57:16.240 --> 00:57:19.240 why was 4.6 6 put in there if not to 00:57:19.440 --> 00:57:22.440 give council the ability to 00:57:23.520 --> 00:57:26.520 to to be able to grant consent when 00:57:26.960 --> 00:57:29.815 those when the when the when it when 00:57:29.839 --> 00:57:31.976 a particular application doesn't meet 00:57:32.000 --> 00:57:35.000 the precise standards in the leap. 00:57:36.640 --> 00:57:38.456 There are precedents for this. We've 00:57:38.480 --> 00:57:41.480 spoken about sharp versa council. 00:57:42.079 --> 00:57:44.055 We understand that this happens all the 00:57:44.079 --> 00:57:46.856 time. Whether it's setbacks or heights, 00:57:46.880 --> 00:57:49.880 we are always asked to consider 4.6 in 00:57:51.119 --> 00:57:53.976 order to create a better outcome for our 00:57:54.000 --> 00:57:55.736 community. And that's what we're asked 00:57:55.760 --> 00:57:58.760 to do tonight, to do our job. if this 00:57:59.839 --> 00:58:01.896 particular if this particular 00:58:01.920 --> 00:58:04.136 application 00:58:04.160 --> 00:58:07.160 um is deficient in sewage or bushfire. 00:58:07.599 --> 00:58:09.335 Mind you, when I look at the satellite 00:58:09.359 --> 00:58:12.216 photos, there isn't a great deal of bush 00:58:12.240 --> 00:58:13.896 around this particular lot. I mean, 00:58:13.920 --> 00:58:16.920 let's be frank, but those things should 00:58:16.960 --> 00:58:19.896 be assessed on their merits and be 00:58:19.920 --> 00:58:22.775 assessed under the act. We shouldn't be 00:58:22.799 --> 00:58:25.496 we shouldn't be confusing the two. that 00:58:25.520 --> 00:58:28.520 is talking about the minimum lot size 00:58:29.680 --> 00:58:32.680 versus what the what compliance to 00:58:32.960 --> 00:58:34.616 the appropriate standards. They're two 00:58:34.640 --> 00:58:37.640 they're two very different things. 00:58:38.000 --> 00:58:41.000 I I commend all of our counselors for 00:58:41.359 --> 00:58:44.295 giving this issue deep consideration. 00:58:44.319 --> 00:58:46.456 But I would also just challenge you one 00:58:46.480 --> 00:58:49.480 more time to think about what is a just, 00:58:50.079 --> 00:58:53.079 what is a fair, what is a good outcome. 00:58:53.119 --> 00:58:55.736 And I would ask you to consider that it 00:58:55.760 --> 00:58:58.760 is our job to consider variations to the 00:58:59.599 --> 00:59:02.055 leap under 4.6. 00:59:02.079 --> 00:59:04.376 It is a mechanism that's available to us 00:59:04.400 --> 00:59:06.936 and we should in this instance be brave 00:59:06.960 --> 00:59:09.335 and courageous enough to do our job in 00:59:09.359 --> 00:59:12.359 the best interests of our community. 00:59:14.400 --> 00:59:17.016 no. So 00:59:17.040 --> 00:59:18.936 we've had the right to reply and so 00:59:18.960 --> 00:59:20.376 that's the closing argument. I just 00:59:20.400 --> 00:59:22.535 wanted to clarify something. 00:59:22.559 --> 00:59:25.559 Point of clarification, councelor Tetro. 00:59:25.920 --> 00:59:28.775 Thank you, Mayor. Um, on the issue of 00:59:28.799 --> 00:59:30.775 fire and water, we did hear last night 00:59:30.799 --> 00:59:32.936 from Susan Edwards that those things had 00:59:32.960 --> 00:59:35.960 been addressed. So, we're using those 00:59:36.880 --> 00:59:38.535 issues 00:59:38.559 --> 00:59:40.775 negatively, but last night they were 00:59:40.799 --> 00:59:43.575 addressed as being um compliant now. 00:59:43.599 --> 00:59:46.599 Right. 00:59:46.880 --> 00:59:47.256 question. 00:59:47.280 --> 00:59:50.280 I think that might be a question. 00:59:51.760 --> 00:59:53.815 Oh, okay. Point of clarification. Okay. 00:59:53.839 --> 00:59:56.839 Um I am going to put the motion. Um so 00:59:56.880 --> 00:59:59.880 we're voting on councelor Kanes's 01:00:00.240 --> 01:00:03.240 support of um this this development 01:00:03.760 --> 01:00:06.760 application. So all those in favour of 01:00:08.799 --> 01:00:10.696 Council Kane's motion, if you raise your 01:00:10.720 --> 01:00:13.720 hands. Council Warren, Councelor Kanes, 01:00:13.839 --> 01:00:16.839 Councelor Tatrai. All those against. 01:00:17.760 --> 01:00:19.896 Councelor Matters, Councelor Brown, 01:00:19.920 --> 01:00:22.456 Council Lawton, Councelor Larkins, Council 01:00:22.480 --> 01:00:25.416 McDonald, Councelor Draisma. The motion's 01:00:25.440 --> 01:00:26.936 defeated. 01:00:26.960 --> 01:00:28.616 We did have a foreshadowed motion 01:00:28.640 --> 01:00:31.575 through councelor Draisma. 01:00:31.599 --> 01:00:32.295 Council DM. 01:00:32.319 --> 01:00:34.136 Thanks, Mr. Mayor. Just I would like to 01:00:34.160 --> 01:00:36.216 move the original motion and seek a 01:00:36.240 --> 01:00:37.656 second. 01:00:37.680 --> 01:00:39.095 Council Larkins second. 01:00:39.119 --> 01:00:40.775 Point of order. There wasn't an original 01:00:40.799 --> 01:00:43.335 motion. Mine was the original motion. 01:00:43.359 --> 01:00:45.575 The recommend the recommendation is 01:00:45.599 --> 01:00:47.176 printed in the business paper, Mr. 01:00:47.200 --> 01:00:47.815 Mayor. 01:00:47.839 --> 01:00:48.295 Yes. 01:00:48.319 --> 01:00:48.856 Thank you. 01:00:48.880 --> 01:00:50.856 Thank you. 01:00:50.880 --> 01:00:53.880 Thanks. So, we've got a move. Councelor 01:00:54.079 --> 01:00:57.079 Draisma seconded Councelor Larkins. Councelor 01:00:57.280 --> 01:00:58.936 Ding like to speak to it. 01:00:58.960 --> 01:01:01.335 Yeah. Look, I'd just like to in light of 01:01:01.359 --> 01:01:03.575 um councelor Tatre's um concerns 01:01:03.599 --> 01:01:05.256 earlier, I just want to make it 01:01:05.280 --> 01:01:07.335 abundantly clear that um bushfire 01:01:07.359 --> 01:01:10.055 requirements aren't part of our LEP. 01:01:10.079 --> 01:01:12.856 their um state legislation and we are 01:01:12.880 --> 01:01:15.016 required um and and staff are required 01:01:15.040 --> 01:01:18.040 to um implement those development regul 01:01:18.559 --> 01:01:21.559 regulations um with all DAS. Um so these 01:01:22.880 --> 01:01:25.880 are the the um the regulations from 2019 01:01:26.720 --> 01:01:28.136 which the staff have made this 01:01:28.160 --> 01:01:30.535 assessment under. I note obviously as I 01:01:30.559 --> 01:01:33.095 said before that um that the proponent's 01:01:33.119 --> 01:01:35.016 consultant said that they um believed 01:01:35.040 --> 01:01:37.976 that these issues could be addressed. Um 01:01:38.000 --> 01:01:40.616 but the um the assessment of staff 01:01:40.640 --> 01:01:42.616 clearly outlines 01:01:42.640 --> 01:01:45.640 um that they were unable to confirm 01:01:45.760 --> 01:01:47.815 whether this would be addressed 01:01:47.839 --> 01:01:49.335 effectively by the development 01:01:49.359 --> 01:01:52.359 application in its current form. So I 01:01:53.119 --> 01:01:56.055 I um I thank councilors for um their 01:01:56.079 --> 01:01:57.976 engagement on this matter, but I think 01:01:58.000 --> 01:01:59.976 there's no there's no nuance um with 01:02:00.000 --> 01:02:02.696 bushfire regulation. Um we have to find 01:02:02.720 --> 01:02:05.720 follow that absolutely to the letter. 01:02:05.760 --> 01:02:08.760 Um, and it's not so much about how um 01:02:08.880 --> 01:02:10.696 how much bush land there is, but the 01:02:10.720 --> 01:02:12.775 considerations around density and how 01:02:12.799 --> 01:02:14.856 close it is to the dwelling is the 01:02:14.880 --> 01:02:16.696 determinant factor around what their 01:02:16.720 --> 01:02:18.775 rating is um and how that needs to be 01:02:18.799 --> 01:02:21.799 dealt with through um planning and 01:02:22.319 --> 01:02:24.376 and the particular setback from those 01:02:24.400 --> 01:02:26.856 trees. So, it's um all very complex and 01:02:26.880 --> 01:02:29.335 complicated, but I think um as I said 01:02:29.359 --> 01:02:31.016 before, this is not something that can 01:02:31.040 --> 01:02:32.616 be negotiated. This is something that 01:02:32.640 --> 01:02:34.616 must be followed absolutely. Um 01:02:34.640 --> 01:02:36.616 otherwise we are we are putting people 01:02:36.640 --> 01:02:38.136 at risk. it doesn't matter if it's 01:02:38.160 --> 01:02:40.775 this block of land um with the nuance 01:02:40.799 --> 01:02:43.656 considerations around the purchase 01:02:43.680 --> 01:02:46.535 and the concession any any 01:02:46.559 --> 01:02:48.376 dwelling that comes to council we must 01:02:48.400 --> 01:02:51.400 absolutely apply these regulations. 01:02:52.240 --> 01:02:55.095 Thanks councelor DMA. Council Larkins. 01:02:55.119 --> 01:02:57.335 Yeah I'll just keep it brief. I I do 01:02:57.359 --> 01:02:59.896 thank all councilors for um the very 01:02:59.920 --> 01:03:01.416 respectful debate. And I think a lot of 01:03:01.440 --> 01:03:04.376 what has um been said has has been said 01:03:04.400 --> 01:03:07.400 um and I can see merit in some of the um 01:03:07.920 --> 01:03:10.055 arguments that were put even by those 01:03:10.079 --> 01:03:12.936 that um I disagreed with. So um that's 01:03:12.960 --> 01:03:15.575 my view. Um and as councelor Draisma has 01:03:15.599 --> 01:03:17.976 mentioned about the bushfire um attack 01:03:18.000 --> 01:03:20.216 levels, the bow ratings. in this 01:03:20.240 --> 01:03:22.856 particular case, it is a bal of 29 which 01:03:22.880 --> 01:03:25.176 does put that property at a high risk. 01:03:25.200 --> 01:03:27.815 It's not um you know an assessment of 01:03:27.839 --> 01:03:30.616 just the um the bush land in adjacent to 01:03:30.640 --> 01:03:32.775 that house. It's actually a rating that 01:03:32.799 --> 01:03:35.416 is quite high under the RFS standards. 01:03:35.440 --> 01:03:38.440 So um yeah, I support this um motion for 01:03:38.960 --> 01:03:40.456 refusal. 01:03:40.480 --> 01:03:43.015 Thanks, Council Larkins. Anyone speaking 01:03:43.039 --> 01:03:44.696 against the motion or want to comment 01:03:44.720 --> 01:03:46.376 further? 01:03:46.400 --> 01:03:49.400 No. Okay, I'll put the motion. All those 01:03:49.839 --> 01:03:51.416 in favour of the recommendation, raise 01:03:51.440 --> 01:03:53.736 your hands. 01:03:53.760 --> 01:03:55.656 Council Matters, Council Brown, Council 01:03:55.680 --> 01:03:57.736 Lord, Council Larkins, Council McDonald, 01:03:57.760 --> 01:04:00.376 Councelor Draisma. All those against. 01:04:00.400 --> 01:04:02.136 Council Warren, Councelor Kanes, 01:04:02.160 --> 01:04:04.055 Councelor Tatrai. 01:04:04.079 --> 01:04:07.079 The recommendation motions carried. 01:04:07.440 --> 01:04:10.440 Okay, we're at item 15.6 01:04:11.520 --> 01:04:13.575 Pokes exhibition endorsement planning 01:04:13.599 --> 01:04:16.599 proposal PP 2025 1047 housekeeping 2025. 01:04:18.240 --> 01:04:19.976 You have the recommendation before you. 01:04:20.000 --> 01:04:23.000 Do I have a move? Council Brown. Second. 01:04:25.200 --> 01:04:27.095 Second. 01:04:27.119 --> 01:04:30.119 Oh, sorry. Council Matters. Um, Council 01:04:30.559 --> 01:04:33.559 Brown. Council Matters. Anyone else? No. 01:04:34.319 --> 01:04:36.216 Okay. I'll move to put the motion. All 01:04:36.240 --> 01:04:39.095 those in favour raise your hands. 01:04:39.119 --> 01:04:41.176 All those against the motion's carried. 01:04:41.200 --> 01:04:41.575 Planning. 01:04:41.599 --> 01:04:42.775 Oh, that's a planning matter, is it? 01:04:42.799 --> 01:04:44.775 Yes, it is. It's a housekeeping, but 01:04:44.799 --> 01:04:45.976 it's a planning. 01:04:46.000 --> 01:04:47.736 , council Matters, council Warren, 01:04:47.760 --> 01:04:49.256 councelor Kanes, councelor Tatrai, 01:04:49.280 --> 01:04:50.856 councelor Brown, council Lawton, council 01:04:50.880 --> 01:04:53.880 Larkins, council McDonald, councelor Draisma. 01:04:54.319 --> 01:04:57.319 None against. The motion's carried. 01:04:57.760 --> 01:05:00.456 We are at item 15.7, post exhibition 01:05:00.480 --> 01:05:01.976 adoption. 01:05:02.000 --> 01:05:04.456 That's in Globo. Thanks, councelor 01:05:04.480 --> 01:05:07.480 Brown. We're at 16.3. 01:05:08.960 --> 01:05:11.095 Con local transport forum. You have the 01:05:11.119 --> 01:05:12.216 recommendation before you. Do I have 01:05:12.240 --> 01:05:14.535 move? Councelor Larkins. Second. Councelor 01:05:14.559 --> 01:05:16.856 Draisma. 01:05:16.880 --> 01:05:18.136 Councelor Larkins. 01:05:18.160 --> 01:05:20.616 Yeah. I'd just like to um ask a question 01:05:20.640 --> 01:05:23.256 through to the director um just in 01:05:23.280 --> 01:05:25.176 regards to the changes that are 01:05:25.200 --> 01:05:27.416 occurring which are obviously a state 01:05:27.440 --> 01:05:30.440 government um mandated change. Um just 01:05:30.799 --> 01:05:33.799 in response to the changes or issues of 01:05:34.160 --> 01:05:37.160 public road closures. um just to confirm 01:05:37.760 --> 01:05:39.815 that they have been taken out of the 01:05:39.839 --> 01:05:42.535 committee now forums hands and whether 01:05:42.559 --> 01:05:44.936 there will be any um changes that 01:05:44.960 --> 01:05:47.656 council could make to ensure that the 01:05:47.680 --> 01:05:49.736 public road closures are publicly 01:05:49.760 --> 01:05:52.136 available um to the community as soon as 01:05:52.160 --> 01:05:54.136 they are available or determined by 01:05:54.160 --> 01:05:55.976 council staff. 01:05:56.000 --> 01:05:58.295 Thanks councelor Larkins and 01:05:58.319 --> 01:06:00.295 apologies we'll just wait for the 01:06:00.319 --> 01:06:03.319 directors 01:06:11.440 --> 01:06:14.440 Dr. Brady. 01:06:14.880 --> 01:06:16.856 Now, would you like council Larkins to 01:06:16.880 --> 01:06:18.376 repeat his question? 01:06:18.400 --> 01:06:20.136 You've got that. Okay. 01:06:20.160 --> 01:06:22.055 Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um, just in 01:06:22.079 --> 01:06:25.079 response to Council Larkins. 01:06:26.240 --> 01:06:28.616 Thank you. , just in response to 01:06:28.640 --> 01:06:30.856 Council Larkins question about the public 01:06:30.880 --> 01:06:33.015 notice component. Um as you're aware the 01:06:33.039 --> 01:06:35.335 changes to the transport forum um 01:06:35.359 --> 01:06:38.359 indicates that any events etc that are 01:06:38.960 --> 01:06:41.896 beyond 24 hours in duration still need 01:06:41.920 --> 01:06:43.656 to go back to the traffic forum but any 01:06:43.680 --> 01:06:45.256 of those events that are under that 01:06:45.280 --> 01:06:48.216 time frame um don't no longer are 01:06:48.240 --> 01:06:50.136 required to go to the transport forum. 01:06:50.160 --> 01:06:51.496 So the process that we're looking to put 01:06:51.520 --> 01:06:53.256 in place now is that for those type of 01:06:53.280 --> 01:06:55.815 events u we will set up a web page and 01:06:55.839 --> 01:06:57.736 any of those um events that are approved 01:06:57.760 --> 01:06:59.335 in house will be posted up on that web 01:06:59.359 --> 01:07:00.616 page with the details and the traffic 01:07:00.640 --> 01:07:01.976 management plans associated with that. 01:07:02.000 --> 01:07:03.416 So that's they'll be open to the public 01:07:03.440 --> 01:07:04.616 to review those. 01:07:04.640 --> 01:07:06.376 Thank you very much. 01:07:06.400 --> 01:07:07.976 Councelor Dasma, do you want to speak to 01:07:08.000 --> 01:07:09.575 the motion? 01:07:09.599 --> 01:07:12.599 No. Any further comments on the motion? 01:07:12.880 --> 01:07:14.775 Okay, I'll put the motion. All those in 01:07:14.799 --> 01:07:17.736 favour raise your hands. 01:07:17.760 --> 01:07:20.760 All those against the motion's carried. 01:07:21.359 --> 01:07:23.256 We are at item 17, reports for 01:07:23.280 --> 01:07:24.696 information. The following reports for 01:07:24.720 --> 01:07:27.656 information are received and noted. Um 01:07:27.680 --> 01:07:30.680 that the um consideration be received 01:07:31.200 --> 01:07:33.815 and noted. Jimaru Heritage Review update 01:07:33.839 --> 01:07:36.376 next steps. 17.2 01:07:36.400 --> 01:07:37.736 outstanding questions with notice 01:07:37.760 --> 01:07:40.760 region. 01:07:44.079 --> 01:07:44.936 Sorry. 01:07:44.960 --> 01:07:47.960 Yeah, I know. Council 01:07:48.160 --> 01:07:48.775 have a question. 01:07:48.799 --> 01:07:50.696 Council Lawton on 01:07:50.720 --> 01:07:52.295 I'm just checking. Are you going to come 01:07:52.319 --> 01:07:53.416 back for questions on 01:07:53.440 --> 01:07:54.696 I was going to Yeah, I was just reading 01:07:54.720 --> 01:07:55.496 them through. 01:07:55.520 --> 01:07:58.520 So item 17.3 post public exhibition KA 01:07:59.280 --> 01:08:01.815 Sports Complex Master Plan update. Item 01:08:01.839 --> 01:08:04.839 17.4 response to minute 25460C 01:08:06.079 --> 01:08:08.856 notice of motion during coastal walking 01:08:08.880 --> 01:08:11.176 track. Do we have any questions on any 01:08:11.200 --> 01:08:13.815 of those? Council Larkins, I think you 01:08:13.839 --> 01:08:14.696 council Lord. 01:08:14.720 --> 01:08:16.056 I did have questions. So, I was going to 01:08:16.080 --> 01:08:17.976 let the Mayor read um read it all out. 01:08:18.000 --> 01:08:21.000 The first one's for 17.1, the Jambbury 01:08:21.279 --> 01:08:23.655 Heritage Review. Um I'm very pleased to 01:08:23.679 --> 01:08:25.335 see this continuing. I was a little bit 01:08:25.359 --> 01:08:27.815 concerned by its delay a couple of 01:08:27.839 --> 01:08:30.839 years ago. Um and not just that, because 01:08:31.199 --> 01:08:32.775 of the impact that it would have on 01:08:32.799 --> 01:08:35.576 subsequently doing a Jerong heritage 01:08:35.600 --> 01:08:38.600 review. so I just wish to confirm 01:08:39.600 --> 01:08:41.655 two things from from the director in 01:08:41.679 --> 01:08:43.976 regards to that report that the heritage 01:08:44.000 --> 01:08:47.000 conservation areas will be likely to be 01:08:47.120 --> 01:08:48.936 considered for the Jambaroo areas or 01:08:48.960 --> 01:08:51.815 parts of that area and secondly about 01:08:51.839 --> 01:08:54.839 the Jerong heritage review in terms of 01:08:55.120 --> 01:08:58.120 time frames. Thank you, 01:08:58.239 --> 01:08:58.775 director. 01:08:58.799 --> 01:09:00.456 Through you, Mayor. In response to your 01:09:00.480 --> 01:09:03.016 first question, as you indicated, there 01:09:03.040 --> 01:09:05.815 was a delay in this project. Um, the 01:09:05.839 --> 01:09:07.896 initial report did go on public 01:09:07.920 --> 01:09:10.376 exhibition some time and garnered a lot 01:09:10.400 --> 01:09:12.775 of community feedback and concern. And 01:09:12.799 --> 01:09:14.856 so, we had that report peer-reviewed. 01:09:14.880 --> 01:09:17.735 The peerreview report will also be made 01:09:17.759 --> 01:09:19.976 publicly available at some broader 01:09:20.000 --> 01:09:21.335 point, but we are going to have a 01:09:21.359 --> 01:09:22.695 discrete conversations with those 01:09:22.719 --> 01:09:25.719 affected land owners so as to calm any 01:09:25.839 --> 01:09:27.496 concerns before a broad public 01:09:27.520 --> 01:09:30.056 exhibition. The peer review does still 01:09:30.080 --> 01:09:31.815 recommend the two heritage conservation 01:09:31.839 --> 01:09:34.839 areas. it has recommended less of the 01:09:35.120 --> 01:09:36.936 heritage items than were initially 01:09:36.960 --> 01:09:39.960 proposed by the niche report. In regards 01:09:40.080 --> 01:09:41.576 to your second question around a 01:09:41.600 --> 01:09:44.215 Jeringong heritage review, it's not 01:09:44.239 --> 01:09:46.135 currently included in our operational 01:09:46.159 --> 01:09:48.616 plan. It is envisaged to be done in 01:09:48.640 --> 01:09:50.135 conjunction with the Jering Gong town 01:09:50.159 --> 01:09:52.536 center study or plan like we did for 01:09:52.560 --> 01:09:55.416 Cayama. Um that is a matter for 01:09:55.440 --> 01:09:57.416 inclusion in future versions of our 01:09:57.440 --> 01:09:59.416 operational plan. 01:09:59.440 --> 01:10:01.496 Thank you. 01:10:01.520 --> 01:10:03.336 I um I don't I also have a question 01:10:03.360 --> 01:10:06.360 about 17.3 just in response to um it's 01:10:07.360 --> 01:10:09.336 probably to the CEO in regards to this 01:10:09.360 --> 01:10:12.360 question. The um public access speakers 01:10:12.800 --> 01:10:15.800 discussed a committee option last night. 01:10:16.159 --> 01:10:18.296 I just wanted to get some brief feedback 01:10:18.320 --> 01:10:21.016 in regards to that. I do have concerns 01:10:21.040 --> 01:10:23.175 around establishing new committees, but 01:10:23.199 --> 01:10:25.175 at the same time I could see the the 01:10:25.199 --> 01:10:27.416 merit of what was being proposed by 01:10:27.440 --> 01:10:29.496 those public access speakers. So, I'd 01:10:29.520 --> 01:10:30.856 just like to get some commentary from 01:10:30.880 --> 01:10:32.776 the staff about that option. 01:10:32.800 --> 01:10:34.135 Sarah, 01:10:34.159 --> 01:10:37.159 thank you, Mr. Mayor. , yes, I did 01:10:37.760 --> 01:10:40.616 listen to that with um much interest 01:10:40.640 --> 01:10:42.536 last night. There's a couple of things 01:10:42.560 --> 01:10:44.695 that are floating around my heads in a 01:10:44.719 --> 01:10:46.536 head. Sounds like I've got many heads. 01:10:46.560 --> 01:10:49.560 God, in relation to the establishment 01:10:49.920 --> 01:10:52.056 of any kind of group up there, one, I 01:10:52.080 --> 01:10:53.736 want to be really respectful of the role 01:10:53.760 --> 01:10:56.760 of KDSA up there and what is what is in 01:10:56.880 --> 01:10:58.376 their terms of reference and their 01:10:58.400 --> 01:11:00.296 constitution. That's an entity that we 01:11:00.320 --> 01:11:02.296 actually provide $60,000 worth of 01:11:02.320 --> 01:11:05.320 rateayers funds to. So, I definitely 01:11:05.600 --> 01:11:07.256 don't want to be standing on anybody's 01:11:07.280 --> 01:11:10.280 toes in the KDSA. We also have a couple 01:11:10.560 --> 01:11:12.695 of our own committees that we need to 01:11:12.719 --> 01:11:14.376 take into consideration. The major 01:11:14.400 --> 01:11:17.400 projects and finance committee I really 01:11:18.080 --> 01:11:19.655 think we want to play a strong role in 01:11:19.679 --> 01:11:21.096 that. We've worked hard as an 01:11:21.120 --> 01:11:23.655 organization to improve our actual 01:11:23.679 --> 01:11:25.496 project management framework and this 01:11:25.520 --> 01:11:28.056 will be deemed a major project. Thank 01:11:28.080 --> 01:11:30.776 you councelor Lawton. You know much 01:11:30.800 --> 01:11:32.776 championed with your guidance which 01:11:32.800 --> 01:11:35.496 we're very grateful of. But I'm really 01:11:35.520 --> 01:11:37.576 interested to understand once we have a 01:11:37.600 --> 01:11:39.896 project control group, what is the 01:11:39.920 --> 01:11:41.736 actually what is the neat fit and I 01:11:41.760 --> 01:11:43.175 believe it was councelor Drezner who 01:11:43.199 --> 01:11:45.336 mentioned it last night. It could well 01:11:45.360 --> 01:11:47.816 be more of a working group or of a 01:11:47.840 --> 01:11:49.816 steering committee that feeds into the 01:11:49.840 --> 01:11:52.840 overall PCG. And on that PCG, project 01:11:53.280 --> 01:11:55.416 control group, you're going to need 01:11:55.440 --> 01:11:57.816 representatives from that major projects 01:11:57.840 --> 01:11:59.655 group because we can't have a situation 01:11:59.679 --> 01:12:02.056 where we've got multiple committees 01:12:02.080 --> 01:12:04.296 reworking and overcommunicating and 01:12:04.320 --> 01:12:06.135 making decisions because at the end of 01:12:06.159 --> 01:12:08.376 the day, unless it's a 355 committee 01:12:08.400 --> 01:12:10.776 under the local government act, nobody 01:12:10.800 --> 01:12:13.016 else makes decisions on finances except 01:12:13.040 --> 01:12:16.040 this room for that kind of extent. So, I 01:12:17.760 --> 01:12:19.816 absolutely think improvements in 01:12:19.840 --> 01:12:22.056 communications, some good streamlined 01:12:22.080 --> 01:12:24.695 information. I'm very supportive of 01:12:24.719 --> 01:12:27.175 having um some involvement of our state 01:12:27.199 --> 01:12:29.816 and federal members in that group, but 01:12:29.840 --> 01:12:32.056 as and when they too see fit because I'm 01:12:32.080 --> 01:12:33.976 also quite mindful that we do have 01:12:34.000 --> 01:12:36.215 quarterly briefings which we're very 01:12:36.239 --> 01:12:38.456 grateful for with our federal member and 01:12:38.480 --> 01:12:40.376 we've likewise written to our brand new 01:12:40.400 --> 01:12:42.695 state member asking for the same thing. 01:12:42.719 --> 01:12:44.296 So we do need to be mindful that we're 01:12:44.320 --> 01:12:46.215 not overburdening their time and that's 01:12:46.239 --> 01:12:48.135 a question I'd like to put to them 01:12:48.159 --> 01:12:51.159 rather than also you know create a forum 01:12:51.199 --> 01:12:54.135 where we expect them to be. So I have a 01:12:54.159 --> 01:12:56.456 number of things in my head. Um, in one 01:12:56.480 --> 01:12:58.936 way I'm quite grateful that we've just 01:12:58.960 --> 01:13:01.960 provided the consultation and that we 01:13:02.320 --> 01:13:04.056 still need to go through the process of 01:13:04.080 --> 01:13:06.215 refining the master plan because I also 01:13:06.239 --> 01:13:07.816 think we need to have some conversations 01:13:07.840 --> 01:13:10.536 in the background about how will those 01:13:10.560 --> 01:13:12.215 committees and any sort of working 01:13:12.239 --> 01:13:15.016 groups actually feed in together. It's 01:13:15.040 --> 01:13:17.175 kind of a long answer, but that's what 01:13:17.199 --> 01:13:19.175 I'm currently thinking off the back of 01:13:19.199 --> 01:13:21.655 last night's suggestion. And I do thank 01:13:21.679 --> 01:13:24.679 Natalie um and the other public speaker 01:13:25.760 --> 01:13:28.760 Ryan for their ideas and for their very 01:13:29.120 --> 01:13:31.416 um open approach to working with us. I'm 01:13:31.440 --> 01:13:33.736 very grateful of that. 01:13:33.760 --> 01:13:36.456 Thanks. Now councelor Dre, I just go to 01:13:36.480 --> 01:13:38.616 councelor Lawton first. 01:13:38.640 --> 01:13:41.640 Oh, thank you. Just really quickly on 01:13:42.000 --> 01:13:45.000 17.2 the question with notice register. 01:13:45.600 --> 01:13:48.456 I would um I I noticed that it's it's in 01:13:48.480 --> 01:13:50.296 the papers, but I would like it to date 01:13:50.320 --> 01:13:53.320 back to September 2024 01:13:53.760 --> 01:13:54.695 as 01:13:54.719 --> 01:13:55.655 Thanks, CO. 01:13:55.679 --> 01:13:57.576 Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I'll just publicly 01:13:57.600 --> 01:13:59.496 apologize for that. We're very literal. 01:13:59.520 --> 01:14:02.215 I just aligned it to quarterly because 01:14:02.239 --> 01:14:04.215 we tend to do everything in quarters. 01:14:04.239 --> 01:14:06.376 Happy to take that on board and we'll um 01:14:06.400 --> 01:14:07.816 make sure that it goes all the way back 01:14:07.840 --> 01:14:09.496 to the start of your term. 01:14:09.520 --> 01:14:11.256 Great. Thank you. And just one last 01:14:11.280 --> 01:14:14.280 question just on the item 17.3 given 01:14:15.120 --> 01:14:16.376 that there's been quite a few 01:14:16.400 --> 01:14:18.296 submissions and there's a lot of work 01:14:18.320 --> 01:14:21.320 obviously to go through before you know 01:14:21.679 --> 01:14:24.296 it's then the options come up again 01:14:24.320 --> 01:14:26.456 what's our time frame that we think that 01:14:26.480 --> 01:14:29.480 that might happen 01:14:30.320 --> 01:14:33.320 as a guide as a guide through the 01:14:33.760 --> 01:14:36.760 Mayor I'm look I'll give you a guide but 01:14:37.120 --> 01:14:39.896 I know the staff had ambitiously thought 01:14:39.920 --> 01:14:41.816 October, 01:14:41.840 --> 01:14:44.376 but my personal take on that is it'll be 01:14:44.400 --> 01:14:47.400 November. I would suggest um purely 01:14:47.679 --> 01:14:49.736 because reviewing that master plan, 01:14:49.760 --> 01:14:51.256 coming up with a report that's that 01:14:51.280 --> 01:14:53.736 extensive, it just takes time and you've 01:14:53.760 --> 01:14:54.856 still got to get it through the 01:14:54.880 --> 01:14:56.215 management team and you've still got to 01:14:56.239 --> 01:14:57.816 get it to ELT because as you can 01:14:57.840 --> 01:15:00.840 imagine, that kind of size facility has 01:15:00.880 --> 01:15:03.416 multiple stakeholders internally and I 01:15:03.440 --> 01:15:04.776 don't want a situation where we're 01:15:04.800 --> 01:15:06.376 standing here and one section of the 01:15:06.400 --> 01:15:08.056 business hasn't heard about it or seen 01:15:08.080 --> 01:15:10.456 about it. So, I'm going to say November 01:15:10.480 --> 01:15:13.096 most likely. 01:15:13.120 --> 01:15:15.896 Council DMA. 01:15:15.920 --> 01:15:17.816 , thanks, Mr. Mayor. Look, I'd just 01:15:17.840 --> 01:15:20.840 like to ask a question as to whether um 01:15:21.760 --> 01:15:24.135 in the interim of making a decision 01:15:24.159 --> 01:15:26.936 about whether um a standalone body is 01:15:26.960 --> 01:15:28.695 required, noting exactly what you said 01:15:28.719 --> 01:15:31.096 before um CEO, around you know the fact 01:15:31.120 --> 01:15:34.056 that we do regularly advocate to state 01:15:34.080 --> 01:15:37.080 and federal representatives about um our 01:15:37.520 --> 01:15:39.336 funding requirements and major 01:15:39.360 --> 01:15:41.175 projects, whether we would maybe 01:15:41.199 --> 01:15:43.896 consider putting in place a um a 01:15:43.920 --> 01:15:46.215 communication strategy specifically for 01:15:46.239 --> 01:15:48.936 the project and I guess the various 01:15:48.960 --> 01:15:51.896 stages particularly in the um you know 01:15:51.920 --> 01:15:53.496 preliminary stage that we're in at the 01:15:53.520 --> 01:15:55.496 moment um the process we're in will 01:15:55.520 --> 01:15:57.896 communicate as we're um you going 01:15:57.920 --> 01:16:00.536 through an EOI or tendering or or um 01:16:00.560 --> 01:16:02.376 seeking funding and the actual 01:16:02.400 --> 01:16:03.976 implementation whether it's we're 01:16:04.000 --> 01:16:06.296 looking at a um you know a staged 01:16:06.320 --> 01:16:08.056 approach to the project or whether we 01:16:08.080 --> 01:16:10.215 will um have the opportunity hopefully 01:16:10.239 --> 01:16:13.175 to do it all in one go as to how we will 01:16:13.199 --> 01:16:14.856 communicate with those stakeholders and 01:16:14.880 --> 01:16:16.376 whether that's something maybe we could 01:16:16.400 --> 01:16:19.175 consider um as a kind of touchstone 01:16:19.199 --> 01:16:21.816 going forward with it. 01:16:21.840 --> 01:16:22.536 Se 01:16:22.560 --> 01:16:24.215 thank you. Yeah, part of our project 01:16:24.239 --> 01:16:26.376 management framework um for major 01:16:26.400 --> 01:16:28.215 projects is to develop a community 01:16:28.239 --> 01:16:29.976 engagement strategy and we'll actually 01:16:30.000 --> 01:16:31.896 bring that to council so that you can 01:16:31.920 --> 01:16:34.056 see it all mapped out. So, in the 01:16:34.080 --> 01:16:35.496 background, we will start developing 01:16:35.520 --> 01:16:37.736 that and we'll probably create the bones 01:16:37.760 --> 01:16:39.976 of it and then sit down with KDSA and a 01:16:40.000 --> 01:16:41.416 couple of those other key sporting 01:16:41.440 --> 01:16:43.576 groups up there to make sure that 01:16:43.600 --> 01:16:45.096 they're happy with it before we bring it 01:16:45.120 --> 01:16:47.896 to you as well. 01:16:47.920 --> 01:16:49.416 Thanks, Council Matters. 01:16:49.440 --> 01:16:51.096 Um, thank you. I think it's already been 01:16:51.120 --> 01:16:53.576 said, but I would like to thank um the 01:16:53.600 --> 01:16:55.336 speakers last night, Natalie Allen and 01:16:55.360 --> 01:16:58.360 Ryan McBride. Um, the KDA KDSA group um 01:16:59.040 --> 01:17:00.776 is a quite a unique group and Craig 01:17:00.800 --> 01:17:02.536 Scott up there. They do an enormous 01:17:02.560 --> 01:17:03.976 amount of work. I mean, Craig would do 01:17:04.000 --> 01:17:05.576 20 to 30 hours. If anyone's ever done 01:17:05.600 --> 01:17:08.456 rosters, trying to work out sporting 01:17:08.480 --> 01:17:09.976 fields when it's wet, things like that, 01:17:10.000 --> 01:17:11.896 and trying to keep everybody happy is 01:17:11.920 --> 01:17:14.920 not an easy job. Um, so I just like to 01:17:15.040 --> 01:17:17.655 thank um especially, you know, Craig, 01:17:17.679 --> 01:17:20.679 Natalie, Ryan, John up there. They they 01:17:20.719 --> 01:17:22.776 formed a working group and came back 01:17:22.800 --> 01:17:25.800 with co collated unified feedback um for 01:17:26.080 --> 01:17:27.976 the for the um master plan up there. So, 01:17:28.000 --> 01:17:29.976 I'd like to thank them very much. and 01:17:30.000 --> 01:17:32.695 that is a group that work well together 01:17:32.719 --> 01:17:34.056 discussed. So I think we got to be 01:17:34.080 --> 01:17:37.080 really proud of that organization. 01:17:37.280 --> 01:17:39.016 Okay. 01:17:39.040 --> 01:17:41.576 Any further questions? No, we'll move 01:17:41.600 --> 01:17:44.600 on. Okay. Um we're at there being no 01:17:46.239 --> 01:17:49.239 late items in item 18. We're at item 19. 01:17:49.760 --> 01:17:51.496 Question notice. Question notice. 01:17:51.520 --> 01:17:54.135 Council Larkins cost estimate of an 01:17:54.159 --> 01:17:56.215 accessible disabled car parking space at 01:17:56.239 --> 01:17:58.376 Manning Street, Ky. The answers provided 01:17:58.400 --> 01:17:59.976 in the report. Council Lawkins. 01:18:00.000 --> 01:18:01.736 Yep. I'd just like to pass on my thanks 01:18:01.760 --> 01:18:04.456 to council staff for the response 01:18:04.480 --> 01:18:07.096 to that question. I just wish to confirm 01:18:07.120 --> 01:18:09.576 that the $30,000 01:18:09.600 --> 01:18:12.600 quote is for the purposes of 01:18:13.760 --> 01:18:16.536 um like the physical work of of creating 01:18:16.560 --> 01:18:18.936 a disability car park. That's that's not 01:18:18.960 --> 01:18:21.576 including the painting that's painting 01:18:21.600 --> 01:18:24.296 or signs. It's actually the the work 01:18:24.320 --> 01:18:27.320 that's required on the road. 01:18:28.239 --> 01:18:30.536 director. Thank you through you, Mr. 01:18:30.560 --> 01:18:32.536 Mayor. In response to council L's 01:18:32.560 --> 01:18:34.856 question, the $30,000 is all inclusive 01:18:34.880 --> 01:18:36.776 for the creation of a disabled parking 01:18:36.800 --> 01:18:38.215 space. 01:18:38.239 --> 01:18:40.215 Great. Council Lordon. 01:18:40.239 --> 01:18:41.976 Yes. Thank you, Mayor. through you, 01:18:42.000 --> 01:18:44.536 Mayor, to the CEO. I would just like to 01:18:44.560 --> 01:18:47.256 confirm the terminology that is 01:18:47.280 --> 01:18:50.215 suggested for the no parking signage 01:18:50.239 --> 01:18:53.239 where apparently you can drop off. Just 01:18:53.520 --> 01:18:56.520 if you could confirm the actual signage 01:18:56.880 --> 01:18:59.016 text, 01:18:59.040 --> 01:19:02.040 sir for the director to take that 01:19:02.640 --> 01:19:05.336 um through you, Mr. Mayor. the no 01:19:05.360 --> 01:19:06.936 parking signage which would be erected 01:19:06.960 --> 01:19:09.336 would obviously have the the I'm sorry 01:19:09.360 --> 01:19:10.856 to describe it would have the P with the 01:19:10.880 --> 01:19:12.536 line through it. That's the regulatory 01:19:12.560 --> 01:19:14.215 component which we need to put on there. 01:19:14.239 --> 01:19:15.976 Underneath that we can put additional 01:19:16.000 --> 01:19:18.296 text or words under there to give better 01:19:18.320 --> 01:19:19.736 clarity in terms of how long you can 01:19:19.760 --> 01:19:21.655 stay in those spaces. So you can stay 01:19:21.679 --> 01:19:23.896 there for up to two minutes and not be 01:19:23.920 --> 01:19:26.920 more than 3 meters from your vehicle. 01:19:26.960 --> 01:19:29.960 Thanks, Councelor Brown. 01:19:30.880 --> 01:19:33.016 May I'd like to ask a question with 01:19:33.040 --> 01:19:36.040 notice. 01:19:39.520 --> 01:19:41.655 I'm going to just confirm the 01:19:41.679 --> 01:19:44.679 procedure here. 01:19:45.280 --> 01:19:46.695 Just going to get some advice from the 01:19:46.719 --> 01:19:47.576 public officer. 01:19:47.600 --> 01:19:49.096 Advice from the public officer. Thanks, 01:19:49.120 --> 01:19:50.616 Co. 01:19:50.640 --> 01:19:52.616 I'm pretty sure they can just ask and I 01:19:52.640 --> 01:19:54.215 can choose to take it on notice or 01:19:54.239 --> 01:19:56.296 answer it. 01:19:56.320 --> 01:19:59.320 I think we'll 01:19:59.360 --> 01:20:01.096 Yeah. So there you go. 01:20:01.120 --> 01:20:02.456 We'll hear your question. Thank you 01:20:02.480 --> 01:20:05.416 councelor Brown. May my question is 01:20:05.440 --> 01:20:07.496 could council leaz with transport for 01:20:07.520 --> 01:20:10.520 New South Wales about the design of the 01:20:11.040 --> 01:20:13.816 collision bar on the railway bridge at 01:20:13.840 --> 01:20:16.840 Terong Street cuz I'm concerned the 01:20:17.040 --> 01:20:19.576 aesthetics of what is occurring there 01:20:19.600 --> 01:20:22.600 and we as a community would like the 01:20:24.000 --> 01:20:27.000 best looking upgrade of that 01:20:27.120 --> 01:20:29.576 collision bar because the last one 01:20:29.600 --> 01:20:32.600 was particularly ugly. 01:20:32.880 --> 01:20:34.856 Thanks. We'll I'm not sure the 01:20:34.880 --> 01:20:36.296 procedure there, but we'll take that. 01:20:36.320 --> 01:20:37.736 CEO, 01:20:37.760 --> 01:20:40.215 thank you. I will happily take that on 01:20:40.239 --> 01:20:41.976 notice and a report will be brought back 01:20:42.000 --> 01:20:45.000 to the October round. Um it is quite 01:20:46.000 --> 01:20:49.000 visually intrusive down there. 01:20:49.840 --> 01:20:50.856 Thanks, Councelor Brown. I'm going to 01:20:50.880 --> 01:20:53.175 have to do my homework there. So, thanks 01:20:53.199 --> 01:20:55.336 very much. Um do we have any more 01:20:55.360 --> 01:20:58.135 comments on 9.1 at all? No, we'll move 01:20:58.159 --> 01:21:01.159 on. Um okay, we're at item 20. Notice a 01:21:01.360 --> 01:21:03.416 motion. , councelor Tetra, use of 01:21:03.440 --> 01:21:05.655 North Kim neighborhood center for the 01:21:05.679 --> 01:21:08.679 everyday table. Um, we have a mover. 01:21:09.120 --> 01:21:11.096 Councelor Tetra, second of councelor 01:21:11.120 --> 01:21:12.616 Kanes. Councelor Tatre, would you like 01:21:12.640 --> 01:21:15.336 to speak to the motion? 01:21:15.360 --> 01:21:18.360 Thank you, Mayor. Um, the everyday table 01:21:18.480 --> 01:21:21.175 is an initiative to promote connection. 01:21:21.199 --> 01:21:24.199 It's not just about receiving goods. 01:21:24.320 --> 01:21:25.896 It's it's about everyone being able to 01:21:25.920 --> 01:21:28.920 go. You don't have to pay. They're not 01:21:29.199 --> 01:21:32.056 subsidized in in terms of money other 01:21:32.080 --> 01:21:34.856 than being given goods. In Australia, 01:21:34.880 --> 01:21:36.936 over 4 million people have to choose 01:21:36.960 --> 01:21:38.936 between 01:21:38.960 --> 01:21:41.960 food and clothing and personal hygiene. 01:21:42.480 --> 01:21:44.695 You'll be able to go there. You'll get 01:21:44.719 --> 01:21:47.719 clothes. They've um got a pallet just 01:21:48.239 --> 01:21:51.175 received from Good 360. And Good 360 01:21:51.199 --> 01:21:54.199 provides to organizations things like 01:21:54.880 --> 01:21:57.336 everything's new. So anything in excess 01:21:57.360 --> 01:21:59.336 they give out. So yesterday they got 01:21:59.360 --> 01:22:02.360 Lego, they got hygiene items, they got 01:22:02.480 --> 01:22:04.056 clothes 01:22:04.080 --> 01:22:06.615 and we're going to have that in Cameons. 01:22:06.639 --> 01:22:09.016 So if if you're feeling sad or you're 01:22:09.040 --> 01:22:11.096 feeling you just want to be with people, 01:22:11.120 --> 01:22:13.336 you can go there. You don't have to pay. 01:22:13.360 --> 01:22:15.976 And um hope you'll support this motion 01:22:16.000 --> 01:22:19.000 everyone. Um 01:22:19.040 --> 01:22:21.736 let's have a look here. 01:22:21.760 --> 01:22:23.016 I don't really think that there's that 01:22:23.040 --> 01:22:24.695 much to say. I think you you all heard 01:22:24.719 --> 01:22:27.576 last night what a worthwhile um 01:22:27.600 --> 01:22:30.600 organization it is and it's it's been 01:22:31.120 --> 01:22:33.576 amazing to get 01:22:33.600 --> 01:22:36.376 Ed and and the CEO to support this at 01:22:36.400 --> 01:22:37.896 the level that they have and helped us 01:22:37.920 --> 01:22:39.576 get through 01:22:39.600 --> 01:22:42.600 dates and times and being able to secure 01:22:43.199 --> 01:22:46.056 the times that everyone can go. So, um 01:22:46.080 --> 01:22:48.135 that's about it really. If you've got 01:22:48.159 --> 01:22:50.456 any questions, you can ask me. Are they 01:22:50.480 --> 01:22:52.056 allowed to ask me questions? 01:22:52.080 --> 01:22:53.496 Yeah. Yeah. Okay. 01:22:53.520 --> 01:22:55.496 Thanks, Councelor Tetro. 01:22:55.520 --> 01:22:57.496 Um, Councelor Kane would like to speak 01:22:57.520 --> 01:22:59.655 to the motion. 01:22:59.679 --> 01:23:02.296 I just want to say that I'm um 01:23:02.320 --> 01:23:03.655 absolutely thrilled to be able to 01:23:03.679 --> 01:23:05.655 support this motion by um Councelor 01:23:05.679 --> 01:23:08.679 Tatrai, whether it's this or her motions 01:23:09.280 --> 01:23:11.336 about disabled parking. She's always 01:23:11.360 --> 01:23:12.856 very considered and generous and 01:23:12.880 --> 01:23:15.175 big-hearted and community-minded, and I 01:23:15.199 --> 01:23:16.936 thank you for bringing it to to 01:23:16.960 --> 01:23:19.256 council tonight. 01:23:19.280 --> 01:23:20.856 Okay, 01:23:20.880 --> 01:23:23.655 nice words. Um, can you just turn your 01:23:23.679 --> 01:23:25.096 light so I can see who's next in the 01:23:25.120 --> 01:23:27.096 queue? Council Larkins. 01:23:27.120 --> 01:23:29.655 , yes. I'd just like to um express my 01:23:29.679 --> 01:23:31.175 support for this motion. I'm very 01:23:31.199 --> 01:23:34.199 heartened by um the the initiative um of 01:23:35.199 --> 01:23:37.496 this group. I'm and very much supporting 01:23:37.520 --> 01:23:40.215 the um the growth and being able to see 01:23:40.239 --> 01:23:43.016 how this um flourishes over the next 01:23:43.040 --> 01:23:44.856 period of time. So, I'm very happy to 01:23:44.880 --> 01:23:46.856 support this motion. 01:23:46.880 --> 01:23:49.496 Great. Council Warren. 01:23:49.520 --> 01:23:52.215 Thanks, Mayor. I'm also in support of 01:23:52.239 --> 01:23:54.776 this motion. Um, thank you for bringing 01:23:54.800 --> 01:23:57.800 it to us. Um, councelor Tetray, I think 01:23:58.719 --> 01:24:00.456 it's the given what they're going to 01:24:00.480 --> 01:24:02.056 provide to our community, I think it's 01:24:02.080 --> 01:24:04.536 the least that we can do um to provide 01:24:04.560 --> 01:24:06.615 some from some storage for them. It's 01:24:06.639 --> 01:24:08.215 fantastic and I look forward to being 01:24:08.239 --> 01:24:10.695 involved. 01:24:10.719 --> 01:24:13.655 Great. Any further comments, queries? 01:24:13.679 --> 01:24:16.376 No. I'll would you like to well it's 01:24:16.400 --> 01:24:19.400 no write a reply because essentially 01:24:19.520 --> 01:24:20.936 spoken against you may 01:24:20.960 --> 01:24:22.376 please councelor Tetro 01:24:22.400 --> 01:24:24.456 can I just say that everyone's welcome 01:24:24.480 --> 01:24:26.856 to give a bit of time so if you wanted 01:24:26.880 --> 01:24:29.096 to go down there and just have a cup of 01:24:29.120 --> 01:24:31.256 tea with people and have a chat 01:24:31.280 --> 01:24:33.816 everyone's welcome to do that 01:24:33.840 --> 01:24:34.456 thank you 01:24:34.480 --> 01:24:37.096 thank you okay I'll put the motion 01:24:37.120 --> 01:24:40.120 all those in favour raise your hands 01:24:40.239 --> 01:24:43.096 all those against the motion's carried 01:24:43.120 --> 01:24:45.736 we're At item 20.2, notice of motion. 01:24:45.760 --> 01:24:47.736 Council Lawton, Crownlands Plan of 01:24:47.760 --> 01:24:49.816 Management, 7M Beach. Council Lawton, I 01:24:49.840 --> 01:24:52.615 understand you wish to defer this item. 01:24:52.639 --> 01:24:55.336 , yes. Thank you, Mayor. Just due to 01:24:55.360 --> 01:24:57.016 um some new information that came to 01:24:57.040 --> 01:24:58.376 light. I just haven't been able to 01:24:58.400 --> 01:25:00.615 prepare. So, I would request if we can 01:25:00.639 --> 01:25:03.336 push it to the October general meeting. 01:25:03.360 --> 01:25:04.776 Okay. Do we have a second? Councelor 01:25:04.800 --> 01:25:06.376 Brown. All those in favour, raise your 01:25:06.400 --> 01:25:09.336 hands. All those against. The motion's 01:25:09.360 --> 01:25:12.360 carried. Okay. Item 20.3. Notice the 01:25:12.719 --> 01:25:14.695 motion. Councelor Larkins length of tenure 01:25:14.719 --> 01:25:17.416 on item internal council committees. 01:25:17.440 --> 01:25:18.135 Councelor Larkins. 01:25:18.159 --> 01:25:19.816 yes, I just wish to advise that it's 01:25:19.840 --> 01:25:22.840 been withdrawn um based on the approval 01:25:23.440 --> 01:25:26.296 of item 13.1 01:25:26.320 --> 01:25:28.695 .3 which addressed the issue of 01:25:28.719 --> 01:25:31.016 tenature on committee. So that u my 01:25:31.040 --> 01:25:32.856 notice of motion is withdrawn. 01:25:32.880 --> 01:25:35.496 Thanks so much. Thanks Council Larkins. 01:25:35.520 --> 01:25:38.296 Okay, we're at item 21. Are there any 01:25:38.320 --> 01:25:39.896 representations regarding issues 01:25:39.920 --> 01:25:41.576 proposed to disclosed in confidential 01:25:41.600 --> 01:25:44.135 committee of the whole? 01:25:44.159 --> 01:25:47.159 No such representations will bid due to 01:25:47.520 --> 01:25:50.520 our friend at the at the bugle 01:25:51.120 --> 01:25:53.175 and 01:25:53.199 --> 01:25:55.256 and Gordon thanks for attending. 01:25:55.280 --> 01:25:56.056 Good to see you back. 01:25:56.080 --> 01:25:58.856 Okay. 01:25:58.880 --> 01:26:00.296 deals with information that would if 01:26:00.320 --> 01:26:02.376 disclosed confer advantage on a person 01:26:02.400 --> 01:26:04.296 with whom the council is conducting or 01:26:04.320 --> 01:26:06.456 proposed to conduct business as per 01:26:06.480 --> 01:26:08.536 section 10 capital A2C of the local 01:26:08.560 --> 01:26:11.560 government act item 22.6 Six tend to 01:26:12.000 --> 01:26:14.056 KT090525 01:26:14.080 --> 01:26:16.135 for supply of liner laundering services 01:26:16.159 --> 01:26:18.296 to Kim case holiday parks to pavilion in 01:26:18.320 --> 01:26:20.135 the Kim militia center. Reason of 01:26:20.159 --> 01:26:21.416 confidentiality is that this matter 01:26:21.440 --> 01:26:22.776 deals with information that would if 01:26:22.800 --> 01:26:24.296 disclosed confer a commercial advantage 01:26:24.320 --> 01:26:26.376 on a person with whom the council is 01:26:26.400 --> 01:26:27.736 conducting or proposed to conduct 01:26:27.760 --> 01:26:29.976 business as per section 10 capital A2C 01:26:30.000 --> 01:26:32.936 the local government act item 22.7 01:26:32.960 --> 01:26:34.296 unsolicited proposal Australian 01:26:34.320 --> 01:26:36.215 lifeguard services. reason for 01:26:36.239 --> 01:26:37.655 confidentiality. This matter deals with 01:26:37.679 --> 01:26:39.016 information that would, if disclosed, 01:26:39.040 --> 01:26:41.736 reveal a trade secret as per section 10 01:26:41.760 --> 01:26:43.655 A2 D Roman numerals 3 of the local 01:26:43.679 --> 01:26:44.936 government act. 01:26:44.960 --> 01:26:47.175 One thing 01:26:47.199 --> 01:26:48.695 CEO, 01:26:48.719 --> 01:26:50.615 thank you, Mr. Mayor. My apologies to 01:26:50.639 --> 01:26:52.615 those watching on at home. We just had 01:26:52.639 --> 01:26:55.016 an inadvertent break in the live stream. 01:26:55.040 --> 01:26:57.175 We switched off a little too early. The 01:26:57.199 --> 01:26:59.096 Mayor was reading the titles of each of 01:26:59.120 --> 01:27:01.096 the confidential reports. Those titles 01:27:01.120 --> 01:27:02.695 are obviously contained within the 01:27:02.719 --> 01:27:04.936 business paper which are live within the 01:27:04.960 --> 01:27:06.776 website. So we will now switch off the 01:27:06.800 --> 01:27:08.776 live stream and move to confidential. 01:27:08.800 --> 01:27:11.800 Oh, we score one to go. So item 22.8 01:27:12.960 --> 01:27:15.576 response to short-term cash and reserves 01:27:15.600 --> 01:27:18.135 position. The reason for confidentiality 01:27:18.159 --> 01:27:19.416 is that this matter deals with 01:27:19.440 --> 01:27:21.175 commercial information of a confidential 01:27:21.199 --> 01:27:23.175 nature that would if disclosed prejudice 01:27:23.199 --> 01:27:24.695 the commercial position of the person 01:27:24.719 --> 01:27:26.856 who supplied it as per section 10 01:27:26.880 --> 01:27:29.096 capital A2 D Roman Euro 1 of the local 01:27:29.120 --> 01:27:31.175 government act. Apologies if you are 01:27:31.199 --> 01:27:33.416 list well you probably lucky you missed 01:27:33.440 --> 01:27:35.416 all that but it is in the papers as the 01:27:35.440 --> 01:27:38.056 CEO has said going to have a mover. 01:27:38.080 --> 01:27:39.896 Council Larkins second to council tantro 01:27:39.920 --> 01:27:42.056 all those in favour raise your hands. All 01:27:42.080 --> 01:27:44.856 those against. Okay. That at this time 01:27:44.880 --> 01:27:46.936 629 council form itself into a 01:27:46.960 --> 01:27:48.135 confidential committee of the whole to 01:27:48.159 --> 01:27:49.336 deal with Matters listed in the 01:27:49.360 --> 01:27:51.016 recommendations subject to the 01:27:51.040 --> 01:27:52.856 consideration of any representations 01:27:52.880 --> 01:27:54.376 relating to S's action. Can I have a 01:27:54.400 --> 01:27:56.376 mover? Councelor Tetra second to 01:27:56.400 --> 01:27:58.456 councelor Larkins. All those in favour 01:27:58.480 --> 01:28:01.175 raise your hands. All those against 01:28:01.199 --> 01:28:03.016 motions carried. Can you just wait for 01:28:03.040 --> 01:28:06.040 the live stream to be turned off? 01:28:09.280 --> 01:28:11.336 So we're back on. Welcome back everyone. 01:28:11.360 --> 01:28:13.256 If you're watching us for the with the 01:28:13.280 --> 01:28:15.655 live stream, um I'll ask CO to read the 01:28:15.679 --> 01:28:17.496 recommendations from the confidential 01:28:17.520 --> 01:28:19.016 committee of the whole. 01:28:19.040 --> 01:28:20.296 Thank you, Mr. Mayor. During 01:28:20.320 --> 01:28:22.536 confidential session, council considered 01:28:22.560 --> 01:28:25.560 the following. In respect to item 22.1, 01:28:26.000 --> 01:28:28.056 council resolved that council note the 01:28:28.080 --> 01:28:29.736 information contained in the 01:28:29.760 --> 01:28:31.655 consultation report on the Jambaroo 01:28:31.679 --> 01:28:34.679 Cycleway project. In respect to item 01:28:34.719 --> 01:28:37.719 22.2, council resolve the following. 01:28:37.760 --> 01:28:39.896 that council adopts the market reserve 01:28:39.920 --> 01:28:42.215 prices for the parcel of land at 01:28:42.239 --> 01:28:44.536 Glenbrook Drive as outlined within the 01:28:44.560 --> 01:28:47.256 body of the report. Two, delegate to the 01:28:47.280 --> 01:28:49.576 chief executive officer and/or Mayor 01:28:49.600 --> 01:28:51.816 authorization to sign and execute all 01:28:51.840 --> 01:28:53.496 documentation in relation to the 01:28:53.520 --> 01:28:56.056 contracts of sale including the seal of 01:28:56.080 --> 01:28:57.976 council for the parcels of land at 01:28:58.000 --> 01:29:00.776 Glenuk Drive. Three, that council 01:29:00.800 --> 01:29:02.776 delegate the chief executive officer 01:29:02.800 --> 01:29:05.016 andor the Mayor to enter into contracts 01:29:05.040 --> 01:29:08.040 of sale for lot 1 DP1263679. 01:29:11.920 --> 01:29:14.920 Lot 2 DP126379. 01:29:16.480 --> 01:29:19.480 Lot 3 DP126379. 01:29:20.400 --> 01:29:23.400 Lot 4 DP126379 01:29:23.920 --> 01:29:26.920 and lot 5 DP1263679 01:29:28.320 --> 01:29:30.135 and affect immediate exchange of 01:29:30.159 --> 01:29:32.215 contracts if sold at auction if the 01:29:32.239 --> 01:29:34.456 reserve prices as outlined in the report 01:29:34.480 --> 01:29:36.856 are obtained. Four, delegate to the 01:29:36.880 --> 01:29:38.936 chief executive officer to negotiate a 01:29:38.960 --> 01:29:40.695 sale price for the Glenbook Drive 01:29:40.719 --> 01:29:43.175 parcels of land as outlined in the 01:29:43.199 --> 01:29:46.056 report if passed in at auction. five 01:29:46.080 --> 01:29:47.976 extend its thanks to the Minister for 01:29:48.000 --> 01:29:50.215 Transport, the Honorable John Graham, 01:29:50.239 --> 01:29:52.536 MLC, for lifting the restrictive 01:29:52.560 --> 01:29:55.496 covenant of the five Glenbrook 01:29:55.520 --> 01:29:58.135 Drive lots and allowing council to 01:29:58.159 --> 01:30:00.615 proceed with the devestment and looks 01:30:00.639 --> 01:30:02.376 forward to working with the minister on 01:30:02.400 --> 01:30:04.296 lifting the restrictive covenant on the 01:30:04.320 --> 01:30:06.695 lots at Spring Creek. 01:30:06.719 --> 01:30:09.719 In respect to item 22.3, council 01:30:09.840 --> 01:30:11.976 resolved 01:30:12.000 --> 01:30:13.896 that was a report for information and 01:30:13.920 --> 01:30:16.776 council received the report. In respect 01:30:16.800 --> 01:30:19.800 to item 22.4, council resolved that 01:30:19.920 --> 01:30:22.135 council delegate to the CEO to undertake 01:30:22.159 --> 01:30:24.856 an expression of interest process to 01:30:24.880 --> 01:30:26.456 identify a suitably qualified 01:30:26.480 --> 01:30:28.296 independent private sector partner to 01:30:28.320 --> 01:30:30.056 run the programs at the Cayama Leisure 01:30:30.080 --> 01:30:33.080 Center identified by this report. Two, 01:30:33.280 --> 01:30:35.416 delegate to the CEO to undertake all 01:30:35.440 --> 01:30:37.496 necessary industrial relations actions 01:30:37.520 --> 01:30:39.256 associated with point one of this 01:30:39.280 --> 01:30:42.056 resolution. Three, delegate to the CEO 01:30:42.080 --> 01:30:44.376 to engage a consultant to a conduct 01:30:44.400 --> 01:30:47.175 market testing for options two and or 01:30:47.199 --> 01:30:49.896 three andor a combination of either or 01:30:49.920 --> 01:30:51.336 the both as outlined in the 01:30:51.360 --> 01:30:54.360 extraordinary February 2025 Cayama 01:30:54.560 --> 01:30:57.016 Leisure Center business case report. and 01:30:57.040 --> 01:30:59.496 B, develop a robust cost reduction plan 01:30:59.520 --> 01:31:01.576 by reducing administrative, operational, 01:31:01.600 --> 01:31:03.416 and overhead costs to be brought back to 01:31:03.440 --> 01:31:06.135 a future council meeting. In respect to 01:31:06.159 --> 01:31:09.159 item 22.5, council resolved that council 01:31:09.679 --> 01:31:11.576 undertakes the necessary steps to lodge 01:31:11.600 --> 01:31:14.215 a primary application of reserve road in 01:31:14.239 --> 01:31:16.695 DP50398 01:31:16.719 --> 01:31:19.175 to convert the road from old system land 01:31:19.199 --> 01:31:21.816 to torrent title. 01:31:21.840 --> 01:31:24.840 In respect of item 22.6, Six. Council 01:31:24.880 --> 01:31:27.256 resolve the following. That council in 01:31:27.280 --> 01:31:30.215 accordance with clause 1781A 01:31:30.239 --> 01:31:31.816 of the local government general 01:31:31.840 --> 01:31:34.840 regulation 2021 accept the tender of the 01:31:35.199 --> 01:31:37.496 Flag Staff Group Limited in the tender 01:31:37.520 --> 01:31:40.376 KT090525 01:31:40.400 --> 01:31:42.296 for supply of linen and laundering 01:31:42.320 --> 01:31:44.615 services to Cayama Coast Holiday Park, 01:31:44.639 --> 01:31:46.215 the Pavilion, and the Cayama Leisure 01:31:46.239 --> 01:31:49.096 Center. Two, delegate to the CEO the 01:31:49.120 --> 01:31:51.096 authority to finalize and execute the 01:31:51.120 --> 01:31:53.336 contracts and any other documentation 01:31:53.360 --> 01:31:54.776 required to give effect to this 01:31:54.800 --> 01:31:56.376 resolution regarding the tender for 01:31:56.400 --> 01:31:59.175 linen and laundry services. Three, grant 01:31:59.199 --> 01:32:01.016 authority for the use of the common seal 01:32:01.040 --> 01:32:02.776 of council on the contracts and any 01:32:02.800 --> 01:32:04.296 other documentation should it be 01:32:04.320 --> 01:32:05.655 required to give effect to this 01:32:05.679 --> 01:32:07.256 resolution regarding the tender for 01:32:07.280 --> 01:32:09.896 linen and laundering services. In 01:32:09.920 --> 01:32:12.856 respect to item 22.7, council resolved 01:32:12.880 --> 01:32:14.615 that council thanks the Australian 01:32:14.639 --> 01:32:17.256 lifeguard service ALS for the 01:32:17.280 --> 01:32:19.175 unsolicited proposal. However, 01:32:19.199 --> 01:32:21.736 respectfully declines the proposal based 01:32:21.760 --> 01:32:23.496 on the financial comparison to the 01:32:23.520 --> 01:32:25.976 council's existing services and two 01:32:26.000 --> 01:32:27.576 looks forward to continuing the 01:32:27.600 --> 01:32:29.256 constructive working relationship with 01:32:29.280 --> 01:32:31.976 the Australian lifeguard services. In 01:32:32.000 --> 01:32:34.296 respect to item 22.8, Eight, council 01:32:34.320 --> 01:32:35.976 resolved that council notes the 01:32:36.000 --> 01:32:38.376 information provided and endorses the 01:32:38.400 --> 01:32:40.135 actions of management to address the 01:32:40.159 --> 01:32:42.536 short-term cash and reserves position. 01:32:42.560 --> 01:32:44.296 Two, shares the information with the 01:32:44.320 --> 01:32:45.896 office of local government to assist 01:32:45.920 --> 01:32:47.416 with its review of the varied 01:32:47.440 --> 01:32:49.336 performance improvement order issued on 01:32:49.360 --> 01:32:52.296 23rd May 2024. 01:32:52.320 --> 01:32:54.135 Thanks CO. So it's recommended the 01:32:54.159 --> 01:32:55.896 council resolve that the confidential 01:32:55.920 --> 01:32:57.256 committee the whole recommendations 01:32:57.280 --> 01:33:00.280 numbered 22.1 22.2 22.3 22.4 22.5 22.6 6 01:33:03.440 --> 01:33:06.440 22.7 and 22.8 be confirmed and adopted. 01:33:06.880 --> 01:33:09.496 Can I have a mover? Councelor Larkins 01:33:09.520 --> 01:33:11.096 second to councelor Brown. All those in 01:33:11.120 --> 01:33:13.256 favour raise your hands. All those 01:33:13.280 --> 01:33:15.976 against. The motions carried. There'll 01:33:16.000 --> 01:33:18.215 be no further business. The meeting is 01:33:18.239 --> 01:33:21.016 closed right on 7:00. Thanks for joining 01:33:21.040 --> 01:33:23.816 us at home. Um these minutes will be 01:33:23.840 --> 01:33:25.416 confirmed at the ordinary meeting of 01:33:25.440 --> 01:33:27.576 council held on the 21st of October 01:33:27.600 --> 01:33:29.736 2025. 01:33:29.760 --> 01:33:32.760 Thanks councelor Draisma.