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Okay, everyone.

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Welcome to the ordinary meeting of the

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Kiama Municipal Council on this day, the

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Tuesday, 16th of December, 2025.

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I now declare the meeting open at 4:01pm

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 Please be aware this meeting has

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been live streamed and recorded. The

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recording will be made publicly

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available on the council website. Those

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attending the meeting should refrain

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from making defamatory statements. I'd

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like to acknowledge the traditional

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owners of the land on which we meet the

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Wodi Wodi People of the Dharawal Nation and

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pay my respects to Elders past, present,

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and emerging. This meeting has been

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recorded and made publicly available on

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the council website and persons

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attending the meeting should refrain

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from making any defamatory statements.

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We don't have any apologies tonight

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so we'll move on to and I'd like to

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firstly just welcome

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 all those watching at home on the

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webcast and potentially the  meeting

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time hasn't been fully recognized by the

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community so we may have some people

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coming in at 5:00 p.m. So  we'll be

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aware of those councelor Cains.

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Thank you Mr. Mayor your indulgence

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to move a procedural motion if I may

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the motion is that debate on business in

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this ordinary meeting be time limited to

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no longer than 3 minutes.

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Do you have a second? Councelor Cains.

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Councelor Brown.

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Councelor Cains like to speak to the

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motion. Councelor Brown.

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Sorry. Councelor Tatrai.

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question.

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 it

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Thank you, Mayor.

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Thanks, Council.

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Would that be 3 minutes per person or 3

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minutes for the entire debate?

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3 minutes per person.

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Thank you.

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Okay, I'll put the motion. All

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those in oh, well, first we're voting on

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a procedural motion and then we're

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voting on the actual motion. So, all

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those in favor of the procedural motion,

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all those against, the motion's carried.

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All those in favor of councelor Cain's

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motion.

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The motion's carried.

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Thanks, Council Cain's for brevity

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just prior to Christmas. Okay. So, all

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those at home, we're at item 6.1, which

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is the confirmation of the minutes of

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the council meeting on the 18th of

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November, 2025. Do I have a mover?

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Councelor Draisma, second to councelor

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Larkins. All those in favor, raise your

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hands. All those against. The motion's

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carried.  item seven. Is there any

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business arising from the minutes? There

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being none, we'll move on to disclosures

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of interest. Is there anyone wishing to

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declare an interest tonight? And if so,

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please stand up and read your

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declaration and hand the declaration to

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the CEO. Councelor Draisma.

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 thank you, Mr. Mayor. I am declaring

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an interest in item 11.1 Mayoral minute Acuna

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street development. The motion refers to

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my employer.  I will leave the chamber

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not participate in the vote.  second

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matter that I am declaring  an

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interest is item 15.10

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submission resoning proposal Kiama Depot as

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an amendment which has been circulated

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by council and refers to my

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employer.  I will leave the chamber

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and not participate in that item.

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Thanks councelor Draisma as well.

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Council Lawkins.

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 yes. I'd like to declare a non pecuniary

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less than significant interest in item

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15.10 submission reasonzoning proposal

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Kiama depot.  one of the DP lots that

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is listed in the report  and is part

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of the rezoning proposal is

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currently  leased by the Kiama Lions

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Club with my father being a member of

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the club.  I also understand that a

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joint  submission was made by the Kiama

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Minimar and Jeringong Lions Clubs  in

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relation to the reszoning proposal.  I

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propose to disclose  and vote on the

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matter.

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Thanks Council Larkins.

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Any further? No, I've got a couple. So

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um  similarly  to councelor Larkins

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Mard's in the Lions Club and so

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essentially  I think it's a non

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significant non pecuniary interest and I

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plan to remain in the chamber also

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15 point item 15.4 four I have a

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non pecuniary license to give me the interest

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 because the applicant I have a

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business relationship with so I plan to

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stay in the chamber and similarly item

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15.5  non pecuniary less than

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significant interest because I have a

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business relationship with the applicant

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so I plan to stay in the chamber

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no one else that's fine we will move on

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so we're at item nine of any tables or

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documents  sorry documents or

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petitions to be tabled there being none

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we'll move on CEO can you please read

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the summary of speakers from the public

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access forum yesterday

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thank you Mr. Mayor, last night we heard

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from the following speakers. Speaking on

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item 15.3, April Rufflin Goff alongside

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Gary Power. , speaking in support of

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15.3, Steve Bartlett

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speaking against item 15.4,

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Sebastian Tuani.

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Speaking against item 15.5, Ian Kilmore.

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Speaking in support of item 17.9, Stuart

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Richards.

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Thanks, CEO. Okay, we're at item 11. Um,

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now I wish to bring forward minutes 18.2

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and 18.3 to address them um

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prior to 11.1.

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So, if I could have a a a I don't need a

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second. Okay. We'll  we'll take that

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to the vote. All those in favor, raise

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your hands. All those against. Motion

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carried.

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So, firstly, we'll deal with um 18.2,

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which is the meal minute regarding the

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Bondi Beach terror attack. Um

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like so many Australians, I was deeply

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saddened and shocked by the tragic

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events that unfolded in Bondi. On behalf

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of the councils and all the staff of Kim

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Municipal Council, we extend our

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heartfelt condolences to the families

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and loved ones of those who have been

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who have lost their lives and we wish a

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full recovery to those who have been

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injured. There's no place in our society

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for violence, hatred, racism or

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anti-semitism. Acts of violence against

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innocent people are an attack on the

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values that bind us together as a

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community. Respect, compassion and care

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for one another. We also acknowledge the

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extraordinary efforts of police,

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paramedics, hospital staff, and other

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first responders who acted swiftly and

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courageously in the face of such

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confronting circumstances. We also

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acknowledge the bravery of those private

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citizens who assisted.

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As a mark of respect, council flags flew

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at half mass yesterday and we'll be 

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looking to observe a minute silence very

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shortly in today's council meeting.

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So, you have the recommendation before

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you that council extends its heartfelt

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condolences to the families and loved

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ones of those who have lost their lives

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and expresses its sincere wishes for a

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full and speedy recovery to those who

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have been injured. That we do

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acknowledge the extraordinary efforts of

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police, paramedics, hospital staff, and

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first responders who acted with courage

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and professionalism in the most

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confronting circumstances as well as the

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bravery of private citizens. And that we

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observe a minute silence at today's

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council meeting as a mark of respect.

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Can I take a vote on that?

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Councelor Kaines.

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Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um, firstly, I'd

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like to commend you for bringing this

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meal minute. Um, your words were kind

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and sensitive and hit exactly the right

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mark, and it's well placed that you

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would bring this. However, I would like

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to move um an amendment. Um, and my

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amendment is um

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is that council commits to the immediate

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acquisition of a flag bearing the Star

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of David and flying it at half mast for

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the summer outside council chambers as a

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symbol of solidarity with our Jewish

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brothers and sisters.

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Do you have a seconder for that

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amendment? Councelor Cains. Councelor

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Tatray

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like to speak further on that. Councelor

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Cains.

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No, I'm okay. Councelor Tetro,

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thank you.

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Just to elaborate on what councelor

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Cains has said. Um, an attack on our

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Jewish community is not only an attack

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on um is not only attack on the Jewish

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community, but it's an attack on all of

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us and our freedom. And as said by by

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Prime Minister Alban Easy, um we should

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all stand together and and support each

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other. Um what those evil beings did to

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us did to did on Sunday. I'm sorry, I

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just I've read this. Um what those evil

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beings did Sunday the 14th of December

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has changed our way of life um in

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Australia forever. It's taken our

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freedom

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and taken advantage of our hospitality.

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So I um I support you councel canes in

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in the Jewish flag. Thank you

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councelor Cains. H sorry council Larkins.

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Um I also have a amendment to the mayor

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minute. Um but I think we're going to do

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this council Cain's amendment first.

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Do you want me to propose my amendment

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as well? Um,

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I think we'll need to

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deal with council deal. Amendment first.

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Amendment first.

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Council Brown.

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I have a point of order.

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Council Brown.

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, Mr. Mayor, I'm not

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too sure whether this is correct ,

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according to the code of meeting

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practice, but I understand that , this

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is your your minute. So, if

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, an amendment is put, it's up to you

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to decide to accept it. It's not really

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up to other counselors to move

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amendments  to

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we we either suggest it to you and you

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accept it as the mayor or um or you

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don't um and then we we vote on on the

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minutes. So that's my point of order.

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Thanks Council Brown. I'll just get some

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advice on that.

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Thank you Mr. Mayor. Councelor Brown is

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correct because meal minutes do not

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require a seconder. the usual procedure

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for debating an amendment where the 

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the mover of the amendment can agree to

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accept or not simply refers to that. So

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the chair will have to make a ruling as

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to whether or not um he accepts the

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proposed amendment and whether or not

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the proposed amendment has been made in

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line with the code of meeting practice.

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Can I just confirm

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councelor Kes was your amendment

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circulated prior to the meeting? It

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wasn't. I'll just get some advice on

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that as well.

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Yes, thank you Mr. Mayor. So

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9.10 10 also says where a meal minute

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makes a recommendation which if adopted

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would require the expenditure of funds

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on works and/or services other than

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those already identified provided in the

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council's current adopted operational

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plan. It must identify the source of

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funding for the expenditure that is the

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subject of the recommendation. If the

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mayor minute does not identify a funding

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source, the council must defer

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consideration of the matter pending a

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report from the CEO on the availability

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of funds for such. But that would make

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the assumption that you are accepting

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that. And lastly,  the previous

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council and this council adopted 

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to I'm just going exactly there. They

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made an agreement that amendments where

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possible and I'm just trying to find the

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exact number where possible would be

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circulated um within 24 hours. That's

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10.

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It's 10 point something. Can I just get

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the 10.11? I was looking straight at it.

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Thank you. Where possible, a counselor

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is to con  circulate the proposed

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amendments for consideration at the

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briefing preceding the council meeting

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or otherwise at least 24 hours prior to

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the council meeting.

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So, councelor Kes, based on that, I um

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um

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sorry, I've got to make a ruling now.

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Council Cains. Um

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I completely  understand where you're

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coming from with this councelor Cains.

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 certainly um at this stage we need to

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show our support and solidarity to our

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Jewish community um based on those

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tragic events that occurred in in Sydney

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and Bondi. Um as it doesn't sit with the

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meeting practice um I won't accept that

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amendment and I'll hear from councelor

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Larkins with regards to his amendment.

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 yeah so my amendment is um quite

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simple which is additional point4 which

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is that council rights to Waverly

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council to share our condolences with

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the local communities that have been

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directly impacted  by the terrorist

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attack

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and I'll certainly  support that

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amendment councelor Larkins u provided you

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you circulated that prior to the

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Cor  correct. It was circulated to

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council staff earlier and I did give you

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a bit of a heads up yourself but not the

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other counselors unfortunately. But um

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yes I yeah

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so I think to be consistent with the the

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ruling that I've made I'll just make

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I'll just confirm that with staff.

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Well  through the mayor. So it does

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say where possible a counselor is to

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circulate their proposed amendments for

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consideration at the briefing preceding

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the council meeting or otherwise at

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least 24 hours prior to the council

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meeting. So it's a matter for the chair

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and there being no cost involved. I'm

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happy to accept your amendment council

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Larkins and I think that um that is a a

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really significant um thing that we

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support the people of Waverly Council as

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well and um that area. So, I'm happy to

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include that amendment.

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, councelor Brown,

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sorry, mayor, getting off to a slow

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start tonight, and I was hoping we could

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get through this quite quickly. Um, but

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this is another point of order. , I'm

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now unclear  because

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two amendments have been made to you.

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Both were not circulated to counselors.

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You accepted one, not the other. Um and

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your reasoning was on timing and if it's

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if it is timing then um

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you know both should be ruled out of

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order or maybe you accept one. If it is

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cost

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um I'm sure the cost of a flag is so

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insignificant that  we could move

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forward on that. So I'm just saying is

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there consistency in these two rulings?

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Yes. So essentially it was based on cost

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and councelor Larkins did circulate his

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amendment prior to the meeting which I

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received.

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No but essentially based on a cost and

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the fact that it was circulated and

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council Larkins gave  myself prior

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warning with regards to the the motion.

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I'm happy to accept it. Um so I'm going

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to put the motion. All those in favor of

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the motion raise your hands.

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All those against. The motion's carried.

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We'll now move to suspend

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standing orders so that we can observe a

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minute silence for the the um the

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victims of the the events that occurred

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at Bondi. So, can I have a mover?

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Councelor Drea, second to council Larkins.

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Um the motion's passed. So we'll suspend

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standing orders for a minute and we will

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um

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 observe a minute silence.

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Okay, please be seated.

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Okay. Um, we'll resume standing orders.

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Can I over move on?

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Councelor Tre seconded councelor Draisma.

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The motion's carried. So we're back into

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meeting proper. Um we are now at

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item 11.1

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which is the mirror minute with regard.

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Sorry, Council Draisma.

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Um there's still another item in the

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believe in the  supplementary agenda

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that's a mirror minute that was brought

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forward.

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Yeah. So 18.3. Yeah. So we'll we'll do

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18.2 we'll do 11.1 and we'll go to 18.3.

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So  11.1 muna street development. So

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we can just wait.

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Okay.

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You have the recommendation before you.

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As mayor, I share the community's

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concern over the heights of the Akuna

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Street development discussed and

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recommended as accepted by the New South

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Wales Housing Deliver Authority. As the

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previous DA has now been withdrawn, the

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minister is now in a position to declare

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the proposal as state significant

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development. This is a matter for the

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New South Wales government and the

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minister not council. However, the

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community can rest assured we're

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advocating on its behalf for the

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minister to refuse the application and

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ensure that the heights are more

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appropriate for a community of our size

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and scale. To that end, we've written to

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the minister and a copy of that letter

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is again attached for information.

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The recommendation is that council

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rejects the housing development

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authorities recommendation to the New

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South Wales Minister for Planning and

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Public Spaces, the Honorable Paul

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Scully, to declare the proposal for a

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14story residential development on the

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Akuna Street site owned by level 33 as a

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state significant development. and that

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we call the council calls on the New

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South Wales Minister for Planning and

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Public Spaces, the Honorable Paul

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Scully, to refuse the recommendation of

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the Housing Development Authority for

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the Akerna Street site owned by level 33

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and the council calls on level 33 to

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proactively work with council and the

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community on a design for the Akuna

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Street site which is consistent with the

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vision for the site as outlined in the

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Ka LEP and Ka DCP.

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I'll put that councelor Brown.

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, thank you, Mr. Mayor. I'm totally in

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agreement with your um meal minute. Um I

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think it's important to note though that

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there has been significant consultation

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with a previous design traders in purple

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and um maybe you'd want to  suggest

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privately or even publicly that  level

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33  talk to the previous  proponent

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for that site who spent over $2 million

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and a lot of community consultation to

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try and get something that would reflect

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the community's  views. I know when

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you were president of the chamber of

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commerce, you  had the  traders in

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purple  design  you know shown to

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the public and and to that membership. I

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was there at one of those public

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meetings. I think that design ticked

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many boxes that the community would be

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more sympathetic to and I don't know if

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level 33 has had the opportunity to see

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 you know the that design  after

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extensive community consultation and if

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they did they'll they would see that a

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lot of work has gone into this side in

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the past and maybe they  could look at

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that and come up with something that

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reflects many of the the height limits,

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the thoroughare, the public parking,

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etc.  that has been done  prior to

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this what I I would see as

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overdevelopment.

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Thanks, Council Brown.

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Okay, I'll put the motion. All those in

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favor, raise your hands.

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All those against, the motion's carried.

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Thanks, Council Larkins.

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Welcome back, councelor Drea.

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Okay, so we're at  item 18.3, Mel

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minute, communityled jazz and blues

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festival proposal. So, as we know, the

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um the common jazz and blues committee

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have postponed um or paused their 2026

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festival um and are working towards the

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40th anniversary in 2027. For nearly 40

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years, Kim community

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council has supported the jazz and blues

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festival through both financial and

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inind contributions. festival has long

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been valued by the community and there's

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strong interest in retaining the planned

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date and maintaining a musical jazz and

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blues presence in the community during

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that period. So the recommendation is

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that council commend the local

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businesses who have already volunteered

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their own venues and resources to

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continue to ensure that the weekend of 6

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to8 March 2026 is still filled with the

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sound of jazz and blues and delegate to

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the CEO to allocate limited human

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resources to coordinating the event

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program and promotion and utilize the

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two libraries Kramer and Jurong as a

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venue for two small performances to

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support the event.

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So you have the recommendation before

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you councelor Larkins.

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 yes firstly I just had a question 

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through to the CEO in respect of the um

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agenda last council meeting where

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council had allocated $7,000 to  the

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Jazz and Blues Festival through the

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grant program and now that the event

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organizer has decided to cancel that

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event. what um funding well what would

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happen with that $7,000 um and depending

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on your answer I may propose an

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amendment

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thank you Mr. Mayor. Yes.  the

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organization had applied through our

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community grants program um and then

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returned or declined to accept the

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funding and as I mentioned at the

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briefing session, council is that money

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is still held within the community

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grants allocation of funds. Um so

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council is able to reallocate that

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amount of money across to the delivery

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of across to actually any

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um any other community grant or event.

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Operationally we would have just held

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that money and added it to the next

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round because we do a number of rounds

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each year.

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Given the answer, I'd like to propose

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just an additional.3

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 that

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um the.3 is utilize the $7,000 grant

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funds awarded to the Kim Jazz and Blues

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Festival.  noting that the festival is

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no longer being held in 2026 to cover

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the human resources and marketing costs

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associated with point 2 above.

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I'll just  get some advice on that

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one. Thanks.

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Sorry.  the mayor just asked me a

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question as to whether or not this was

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distributed prior to exactly as 10.1

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says. We discussed this in our briefing

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session yesterday. Um, and I believe

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this one was circulated today, but I'd

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actually need the counselor to answer

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that one. I know the minute takers have

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definitely got it because I've seen that

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email.

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It was

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it was

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 it came through  via the council

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staff as the suggested wording  from

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the briefing yesterday. So, it was this

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morning that this was proposed.

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Sorry.

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Thank you, Mr. Mayor.  on the occasion

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when we get a question like that in the

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briefing session, I will ask our staff

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to go away and prepare um the proposed

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wording and circulate it to all

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counselors. So, we did do that. I'm

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looking at the director responsible for

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that. Thank

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councelor Larkins.

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We did have this discussion I think it

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was yesterday. Um but it wasn't

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distributed the council laws. Um,

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however, I'm prepared to accept that

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amendment.

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Sorry.

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Sorry, Mr. Mayor. Yes, I I just

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explained that um our director, , Mr.

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Patterson circulated that wording to all

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counselors.

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Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Well, I

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accept that amendment. Thank you,

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Council Kes.

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Um, so if I understand this correctly,

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the $7,000

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in $7,000 amount in grant funds will no

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longer be distributed, but will rather

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be kept within council so that council

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can use those funds to fund

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 staff and

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marketing costs associated with the the

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point to above. is that I one of the

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things I one of the things I'm trying to

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understand is

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if we don't how are we going to 

00:28:00.000 --> 00:28:01.736
what's the mechanism by which we're

00:28:01.760 --> 00:28:04.375
going to account for how much this

00:28:04.399 --> 00:28:07.015
project uses along the way and whether

00:28:07.039 --> 00:28:09.416
there's a shortfall or whether there's

00:28:09.440 --> 00:28:11.976
an overspend and whether that can be

00:28:12.000 --> 00:28:14.616
redeployed or put back into the bucket

00:28:14.640 --> 00:28:17.640
of money for for for for grants um

00:28:18.320 --> 00:28:21.320
associated with events etc. I just it it

00:28:21.679 --> 00:28:24.056
just feels a little bit

00:28:24.080 --> 00:28:27.080
fuzzy to me whilst I I really appreciate

00:28:27.200 --> 00:28:30.200
that this on the face of it sounds like

00:28:30.399 --> 00:28:32.296
a really good idea.

00:28:32.320 --> 00:28:35.320
Thanks Council Cains Co.

00:28:36.640 --> 00:28:38.696
 council is able, as you've heard me

00:28:38.720 --> 00:28:41.496
say a few times, to resolve um pretty

00:28:41.520 --> 00:28:43.096
much whatever you like, provided it's

00:28:43.120 --> 00:28:44.856
lawful and it is the remit of local

00:28:44.880 --> 00:28:46.696
government and specifically that it

00:28:46.720 --> 00:28:49.720
relates to your report.

00:28:52.559 --> 00:28:55.015
We've had this issue a few times. This

00:28:55.039 --> 00:28:57.576
is a council. This is the Merill. 

00:28:57.600 --> 00:28:59.255
that's correct, Council Brand. I'm

00:28:59.279 --> 00:29:01.736
asking the CEO for some assistance in

00:29:01.760 --> 00:29:03.736
making the determination. So

00:29:03.760 --> 00:29:05.736
yes, but it's it's it's the meril minute

00:29:05.760 --> 00:29:08.056
whether you accept it or not. It's up to

00:29:08.080 --> 00:29:10.936
you. It's it's not up to the CEO to

00:29:10.960 --> 00:29:13.336
explain how this works on this occasion.

00:29:13.360 --> 00:29:15.336
The rest of the business paper, yes, but

00:29:15.360 --> 00:29:18.360
not during Mal minute.

00:29:18.640 --> 00:29:20.375
No, I've accepted it. I've accepted the

00:29:20.399 --> 00:29:21.816
amendment and now I'm just seeking

00:29:21.840 --> 00:29:23.576
clarification on if there is a short

00:29:23.600 --> 00:29:26.600
floor that we'll be able to only 

00:29:28.000 --> 00:29:29.416
spend up to the certain amount and how

00:29:29.440 --> 00:29:32.440
the accounting will work for it.

00:29:33.360 --> 00:29:34.296
C

00:29:34.320 --> 00:29:35.895
I'm sorry, Mr. Mayor. That's a point of

00:29:35.919 --> 00:29:37.416
order. So, you have to make a ruling on

00:29:37.440 --> 00:29:39.176
the point of order and then I can get

00:29:39.200 --> 00:29:42.200
I've made the ruling. Yeah. That um 

00:29:43.120 --> 00:29:45.655
I'm going to refer to the CEO for some

00:29:45.679 --> 00:29:48.216
information to make that ruling.

00:29:48.240 --> 00:29:51.176
Okay. Oh, thank you, Mr. Mayor. And

00:29:51.200 --> 00:29:53.416
apologies. I accidentally left that on.

00:29:53.440 --> 00:29:55.976
council is able to resolve an allocation

00:29:56.000 --> 00:29:59.000
of budget um from that community grants

00:30:00.080 --> 00:30:02.296
program to be used towards what is

00:30:02.320 --> 00:30:05.320
essentially other community grants. We

00:30:05.360 --> 00:30:07.255
will account for expenditure on that as

00:30:07.279 --> 00:30:09.895
we do it um be booked in our tech one

00:30:09.919 --> 00:30:11.895
system. You'll see any movement on that

00:30:11.919 --> 00:30:14.456
through the monthly reports and if there

00:30:14.480 --> 00:30:17.480
is any funds residual funds left over

00:30:17.520 --> 00:30:19.576
they go back into their primary purpose

00:30:19.600 --> 00:30:21.336
and allocated pool which is the

00:30:21.360 --> 00:30:23.576
community grants. and we're more than

00:30:23.600 --> 00:30:26.056
happy to do another report if we need to

00:30:26.080 --> 00:30:29.080
specifically on that issue.

00:30:30.240 --> 00:30:33.240
Thanks, CA.

00:30:38.000 --> 00:30:41.000
So, councelor Cains, um I accept that

00:30:41.919 --> 00:30:44.775
we can um we can

00:30:44.799 --> 00:30:47.799
amend and um understand how those funds

00:30:48.399 --> 00:30:49.655
will be used if we don't get to the

00:30:49.679 --> 00:30:52.535
$7,000 um and that they'll be

00:30:52.559 --> 00:30:55.255
appropriately accounted for.

00:30:55.279 --> 00:30:58.135
Yeah.

00:30:58.159 --> 00:30:59.176
Council Matters.

00:30:59.200 --> 00:31:00.616
Yes. I'll be really quick because we are

00:31:00.640 --> 00:31:01.976
going to get long getting a bit

00:31:02.000 --> 00:31:03.976
longwinded. Um I think we're missing the

00:31:04.000 --> 00:31:05.895
point and it's a shame that the jazz and

00:31:05.919 --> 00:31:07.496
blues festival wasn't going ahead. So

00:31:07.520 --> 00:31:09.976
appreciate not only the community but

00:31:10.000 --> 00:31:12.375
the um the confidence that community had

00:31:12.399 --> 00:31:14.296
in um in the council to come back and

00:31:14.320 --> 00:31:16.456
say look I'm willing to do I want to go

00:31:16.480 --> 00:31:18.696
ahead. I don't know what parties were

00:31:18.720 --> 00:31:21.015
involved before um but it just shows the

00:31:21.039 --> 00:31:23.576
community keen to have it and um I think

00:31:23.600 --> 00:31:26.056
um I'm really grateful that council are

00:31:26.080 --> 00:31:27.015
moving forward with it because the

00:31:27.039 --> 00:31:28.775
community will be as well. Thank you.

00:31:28.799 --> 00:31:31.496
Thanks, Council Matters. Council L.

00:31:31.520 --> 00:31:33.015
Thank you through you, Mayor. I just

00:31:33.039 --> 00:31:36.039
would like to um possibly add something

00:31:36.159 --> 00:31:37.736
2.3

00:31:37.760 --> 00:31:40.535
just regarding councelor Cain's point of

00:31:40.559 --> 00:31:42.375
um if we could put a line in there that

00:31:42.399 --> 00:31:45.399
says that that um council staff will

00:31:45.440 --> 00:31:47.816
provide a budget report at the, you

00:31:47.840 --> 00:31:50.840
know, of how that $7,000 was used.

00:31:50.880 --> 00:31:52.296
Can you provide me with the wording and

00:31:52.320 --> 00:31:53.816
then I'll

00:31:53.840 --> 00:31:56.840
Sure. Um Okay.

00:31:58.080 --> 00:32:01.080
Um point

00:32:01.919 --> 00:32:04.919
which

00:32:05.120 --> 00:32:07.255
yeah that's great thank you

00:32:07.279 --> 00:32:09.576
and you would like that inserted into um

00:32:09.600 --> 00:32:12.296
if either point4 if it's needs to be a

00:32:12.320 --> 00:32:13.255
point 4

00:32:13.279 --> 00:32:15.495
I think you can go to be within.3 I'm

00:32:15.519 --> 00:32:16.696
fine with either

00:32:16.720 --> 00:32:19.720
no I accept that thanks councel Lorton

00:32:25.519 --> 00:32:28.519
any further councelor Matt Warren.

00:32:29.200 --> 00:32:31.416
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um, in addition to

00:32:31.440 --> 00:32:34.440
what councelor Matters had stated like

00:32:35.279 --> 00:32:37.255
 Ka Jazz and Blues Festival would have

00:32:37.279 --> 00:32:39.655
used this money for marketing their

00:32:39.679 --> 00:32:42.216
event and for marketing the venues that

00:32:42.240 --> 00:32:45.015
are involved in that event. Um, I would,

00:32:45.039 --> 00:32:47.655
you know, that the that $7,000 is going

00:32:47.679 --> 00:32:49.895
to be used, you know, at the same

00:32:49.919 --> 00:32:52.216
capacity. So, I think it's great that we

00:32:52.240 --> 00:32:55.176
can market um a a version of that event

00:32:55.200 --> 00:32:58.200
and also the venues that are involved.

00:32:58.880 --> 00:33:00.616
Thanks. And just to point out that the

00:33:00.640 --> 00:33:03.336
the venues that have already put their

00:33:03.360 --> 00:33:05.895
their hat in the ring, their hand up to

00:33:05.919 --> 00:33:08.696
to contribute to that weekend.   the

00:33:08.720 --> 00:33:11.655
Ka Le Club, the Grand Hotel, Chin Chins,

00:33:11.679 --> 00:33:14.056
Bennett on Barney, and the Kaum bowling

00:33:14.080 --> 00:33:16.056
club. Um and that's prior to any

00:33:16.080 --> 00:33:17.895
expressions of interest going out. So

00:33:17.919 --> 00:33:19.495
certainly looking forward to some strong

00:33:19.519 --> 00:33:22.519
support. Um if this  this motion's

00:33:22.640 --> 00:33:25.640
carried um I will put the motion. All

00:33:25.840 --> 00:33:28.375
those in favor raise your hands. All

00:33:28.399 --> 00:33:31.399
those against the motions carried.

00:33:32.240 --> 00:33:34.456
Okay. I call on the deputy mayor to read

00:33:34.480 --> 00:33:36.216
out the items to be resolved in in

00:33:36.240 --> 00:33:37.096
Globo.

00:33:37.120 --> 00:33:40.120
Thank you Mr. Mayor. Um in Globo items

00:33:40.480 --> 00:33:43.480
today are 13.2 2

00:33:43.919 --> 00:33:46.919
13.3

00:33:46.960 --> 00:33:49.495
13.4

00:33:49.519 --> 00:33:51.976
13.5

00:33:52.000 --> 00:33:54.216
14.1

00:33:54.240 --> 00:33:56.296
14.2

00:33:56.320 --> 00:33:58.296
14.3

00:33:58.320 --> 00:34:00.056
14.4

00:34:00.080 --> 00:34:03.080
and finally 18.1.

00:34:04.240 --> 00:34:06.535
Thank you.

00:34:06.559 --> 00:34:09.559
Thanks councelor matters

00:34:11.440 --> 00:34:13.575
and sorry  deputy mayor just to

00:34:13.599 --> 00:34:16.599
confirm that there was no items in

00:34:16.800 --> 00:34:19.575
globber from the 15s

00:34:19.599 --> 00:34:22.599
they were removed okay

00:34:22.639 --> 00:34:25.256
thanks to brand um may I understand

00:34:25.280 --> 00:34:28.280
we've done 18.1

00:34:33.839 --> 00:34:36.839
no 18.2 2 and 8.3 will move forward. 1

00:34:37.599 --> 00:34:38.696
still

00:34:38.720 --> 00:34:41.720
to be considered.

00:34:53.119 --> 00:34:55.895
And can I also just um propose an

00:34:55.919 --> 00:34:58.919
amendment that um 13.1

00:35:01.119 --> 00:35:03.496
adoption of code of meeting practice 

00:35:03.520 --> 00:35:06.520
be addressed at the end of following

00:35:07.440 --> 00:35:10.136
notice of motion.

00:35:10.160 --> 00:35:13.160
Thanks councel.

00:35:18.960 --> 00:35:19.815
just

00:35:19.839 --> 00:35:22.839
and councelor matters that's  it's

00:35:23.280 --> 00:35:24.936
your motion so you're accepting a

00:35:24.960 --> 00:35:27.176
council amendment okay so councelor

00:35:27.200 --> 00:35:29.256
matters do we have a second

00:35:29.280 --> 00:35:32.280
councel kes so just may just before we

00:35:32.720 --> 00:35:35.720
jump to um  voting on this matter in

00:35:36.560 --> 00:35:39.560
now in the papers here we have the the

00:35:39.920 --> 00:35:42.920
cattle grid as being 18.3 3. So we're

00:35:43.280 --> 00:35:45.095
just seeking clarification that it

00:35:45.119 --> 00:35:48.119
should be 18.3 not 18.1.

00:35:52.880 --> 00:35:55.880
Okay.

00:36:01.440 --> 00:36:01.815


00:36:01.839 --> 00:36:02.856
sorry if we just 

00:36:02.880 --> 00:36:05.880
council Lorton is correct. So it is 18.3

00:36:06.640 --> 00:36:09.640
CEO note um was 18.3 18.1

00:36:12.000 --> 00:36:15.000
was the bondi um so the bookmarks are

00:36:16.880 --> 00:36:19.880
different to what is printed in the

00:36:19.920 --> 00:36:20.616
right okay

00:36:20.640 --> 00:36:22.376
which is what's caused the confusion

00:36:22.400 --> 00:36:23.335
right

00:36:23.359 --> 00:36:26.359
so I'll take out 18.1 make it 18.3 then

00:36:26.720 --> 00:36:29.720
okay thanks Okay.

00:36:36.560 --> 00:36:39.560
So, we'll just 

00:36:40.000 --> 00:36:41.256
councelor Jo.

00:36:41.280 --> 00:36:42.776
Yeah, sorry. Just a point of order.

00:36:42.800 --> 00:36:44.376
Could we just ensure that

00:36:44.400 --> 00:36:46.776
administratively we go back and change

00:36:46.800 --> 00:36:49.496
the minutes to  reflect that we

00:36:49.520 --> 00:36:52.520
adopted 18.1 and not 18.3

00:36:53.359 --> 00:36:55.736
when we were discussing the items

00:36:55.760 --> 00:36:56.696
brought forward.

00:36:56.720 --> 00:36:59.256
Lovely. Thanks, Councelor Draisma. We'll

00:36:59.280 --> 00:37:02.280
make a note of that.

00:37:05.200 --> 00:37:08.055
Okay, I'll put the motion. All those in

00:37:08.079 --> 00:37:09.896
favor, raise your hands. All those

00:37:09.920 --> 00:37:12.920
against. The motion's carried.

00:37:13.520 --> 00:37:15.176
Meaning

00:37:15.200 --> 00:37:18.200
that we're now at

00:37:20.000 --> 00:37:22.776
15.1.

00:37:22.800 --> 00:37:24.296
I move the recommendation.

00:37:24.320 --> 00:37:26.536
Sorry, Council Larkins. I move the

00:37:26.560 --> 00:37:28.456
recommendation 15.

00:37:28.480 --> 00:37:30.376
It's a

00:37:30.400 --> 00:37:32.055
15.1 for those watching at home. The

00:37:32.079 --> 00:37:33.976
approval of conservation management plan

00:37:34.000 --> 00:37:36.136
Kendall cemetery and walls at Bural

00:37:36.160 --> 00:37:38.136
South Kim urban release area. That's

00:37:38.160 --> 00:37:39.896
moved by council Larkins. Seconded by

00:37:39.920 --> 00:37:42.920
council Tatray like to speak to the

00:37:42.960 --> 00:37:45.256
motion at all? No. We'll move on. All

00:37:45.280 --> 00:37:47.896
those in favor raise your hands.

00:37:47.920 --> 00:37:50.920
All those against. The motion's carried.

00:37:51.119 --> 00:37:53.256
Ah, so this is a planning matter.

00:37:53.280 --> 00:37:54.136
Oh no.

00:37:54.160 --> 00:37:56.936
No. My error. Yeah, that's fine. Okay.

00:37:56.960 --> 00:37:59.656
Um, so now we're at 15.2, which is the

00:37:59.680 --> 00:38:01.416
determination of development application

00:38:01.440 --> 00:38:04.216
number 10, 2025681,

00:38:04.240 --> 00:38:05.976
40 Saddleback Mountain Road, Kima,

00:38:06.000 --> 00:38:09.000
Torrance Title Subdivision. Um, you have

00:38:09.040 --> 00:38:11.335
the recommendation before you. Do I have

00:38:11.359 --> 00:38:12.456
a mover?

00:38:12.480 --> 00:38:13.896
Excuse me. Sorry, Mick. Could we just

00:38:13.920 --> 00:38:16.136
have the page number for those that are

00:38:16.160 --> 00:38:17.815
doing it on digital?

00:38:17.839 --> 00:38:20.839
83.

00:38:21.839 --> 00:38:24.536
I'll just 

00:38:24.560 --> 00:38:24.936
um

00:38:24.960 --> 00:38:27.960
let me know when you're up to

00:38:28.160 --> 00:38:29.815
and it's 15.2

00:38:29.839 --> 00:38:31.656
15.2

00:38:31.680 --> 00:38:34.680
digitally.

00:38:35.119 --> 00:38:36.696
You've got a different page number, do

00:38:36.720 --> 00:38:39.720
you?

00:38:43.920 --> 00:38:45.815
We'll just wait for you to find 15.2 and

00:38:45.839 --> 00:38:48.839
then we'll move on.

00:38:58.480 --> 00:38:59.896
I'm sorry. Council Lorton, are you with

00:38:59.920 --> 00:39:00.536
us?

00:39:00.560 --> 00:39:00.936
Got it.

00:39:00.960 --> 00:39:03.095
Yep. Okay, great. , so we've got a

00:39:03.119 --> 00:39:04.616
move it. Councelor Brown, seconded.

00:39:04.640 --> 00:39:07.256
Councelor Cains.

00:39:07.280 --> 00:39:08.616
Councelor Brown like to speak to the

00:39:08.640 --> 00:39:11.095
motion. Councelor Cains.

00:39:11.119 --> 00:39:13.656
Any other speakers? Okay, I'll put the

00:39:13.680 --> 00:39:15.496
motion. All those in favor, raise your

00:39:15.520 --> 00:39:17.176
hands.

00:39:17.200 --> 00:39:20.200
All those against  sorry this is a

00:39:20.400 --> 00:39:23.256
planning matter. So um all those in

00:39:23.280 --> 00:39:25.656
favor council matters council warren

00:39:25.680 --> 00:39:27.815
councel Cains councelor dresma councelor

00:39:27.839 --> 00:39:29.976
tatray councelor brown council Lorton

00:39:30.000 --> 00:39:32.616
council Larkins council McDonald all those

00:39:32.640 --> 00:39:34.696
against none the movement the motion is

00:39:34.720 --> 00:39:37.720
carried we are now at item 15.3 which is

00:39:38.320 --> 00:39:40.136
determination of development application

00:39:40.160 --> 00:39:43.160
number 10 2025711

00:39:43.359 --> 00:39:45.095
Fern Street Jeringong proposed

00:39:45.119 --> 00:39:48.119
alterations and additions to motel you

00:39:48.320 --> 00:39:50.536
had the recommendation before you

00:39:50.560 --> 00:39:52.936
councelor Larkins moving that councelor

00:39:52.960 --> 00:39:54.696
Brown seconding.

00:39:54.720 --> 00:39:57.496
, no.

00:39:57.520 --> 00:40:00.520
Sorry.

00:40:00.720 --> 00:40:02.296
Okay. So, we've got an alternative

00:40:02.320 --> 00:40:05.320
motion to put up there first.

00:40:05.760 --> 00:40:08.536
So, councelor I'm moving the motion as

00:40:08.560 --> 00:40:10.296
printed and councelor Drezma or

00:40:10.320 --> 00:40:13.320
councelor matters was seconding it.

00:40:19.920 --> 00:40:22.296
Okay. Okay. So, you'll need a you'll

00:40:22.320 --> 00:40:24.376
need a seconder.

00:40:24.400 --> 00:40:26.296
Councelor Matters is seconding.

00:40:26.320 --> 00:40:26.696
Yeah.

00:40:26.720 --> 00:40:28.696
Okay. So, we have the the motions on the

00:40:28.720 --> 00:40:30.216
floor now. Councelor Brown, you'd like

00:40:30.240 --> 00:40:32.456
to propose an amendment. Would you

00:40:32.480 --> 00:40:34.055
wait for councelor Larkins to speak to the

00:40:34.079 --> 00:40:34.456
motion?

00:40:34.480 --> 00:40:36.296
I'd just briefly speak. I know councelor

00:40:36.320 --> 00:40:38.536
Brown does have an amendment which he

00:40:38.560 --> 00:40:41.496
will present and we can consider. Um but

00:40:41.520 --> 00:40:43.896
I'd just like to obviously um

00:40:43.920 --> 00:40:45.896
acknowledge that there was a lot of 

00:40:45.920 --> 00:40:48.616
conversation at the the public access um

00:40:48.640 --> 00:40:51.640
last night.  by the two um for and

00:40:52.480 --> 00:40:54.536
against this particular item. Um I

00:40:54.560 --> 00:40:57.256
understand the various concerns and and

00:40:57.280 --> 00:40:59.976
views  on this matter but I believe 

00:41:00.000 --> 00:41:01.656
the staff recommendation is the

00:41:01.680 --> 00:41:04.616
appropriate pathway  on this item. So

00:41:04.640 --> 00:41:07.016
that's my brief comments in relation to

00:41:07.040 --> 00:41:08.696
this  item.

00:41:08.720 --> 00:41:10.295
Great. Council matters. Would you like

00:41:10.319 --> 00:41:12.376
to speak to the matter?

00:41:12.400 --> 00:41:15.335
Okay. Councelor Brown, I'm assuming

00:41:15.359 --> 00:41:17.575
you've got your amendment ready to go.

00:41:17.599 --> 00:41:20.599
Certainly do, Mr. May. Um but with some

00:41:20.800 --> 00:41:23.800
magic elf help it will appear.

00:41:25.760 --> 00:41:28.760
 Mr. Mayor, I move an amendment in

00:41:29.599 --> 00:41:32.599
substance to remove the restrictive 

00:41:32.960 --> 00:41:35.960
trading hours which were initially 

00:41:36.800 --> 00:41:39.256
put forward on this development

00:41:39.280 --> 00:41:42.280
application and to return it to

00:41:42.319 --> 00:41:44.295
something where the business can operate

00:41:44.319 --> 00:41:47.319
in a more viable  fashion. So, , as

00:41:49.200 --> 00:41:51.496
you may be aware,

00:41:51.520 --> 00:41:54.295
I asked the director for some wording on

00:41:54.319 --> 00:41:57.319
this and this was, , distributed to

00:41:57.839 --> 00:42:00.839
everyone last night. So, um, basically,

00:42:02.000 --> 00:42:03.416
as we heard from the applicant

00:42:03.440 --> 00:42:05.656
yesterday,

00:42:05.680 --> 00:42:07.815
they've been operating this place

00:42:07.839 --> 00:42:10.839
without any restrictive trading hours

00:42:10.880 --> 00:42:12.295
for as long as they've owned the

00:42:12.319 --> 00:42:14.696
property. be interesting to know for

00:42:14.720 --> 00:42:17.095
some people. I used to work here in my

00:42:17.119 --> 00:42:19.176
20ies some 30 odd years ago when it was

00:42:19.200 --> 00:42:22.200
the old German restaurant. Um and  and

00:42:23.440 --> 00:42:25.896
then later on it had been owned by a

00:42:25.920 --> 00:42:27.095
number of other people before it was

00:42:27.119 --> 00:42:30.119
acquired by Mccure. um destination ka

00:42:30.560 --> 00:42:33.095
have been working with this all sorts of

00:42:33.119 --> 00:42:36.055
operators here for many many years and

00:42:36.079 --> 00:42:39.079
they've all operated with you know I

00:42:39.359 --> 00:42:41.896
think some degree or a high degree of

00:42:41.920 --> 00:42:44.920
concern and respect for local residents

00:42:45.119 --> 00:42:47.095
back when I used to work there there

00:42:47.119 --> 00:42:48.696
were no residents around there

00:42:48.720 --> 00:42:51.095
whatsoever it was a it was a function

00:42:51.119 --> 00:42:53.656
center on on a hill but now of course

00:42:53.680 --> 00:42:55.815
there are more residents there I think

00:42:55.839 --> 00:42:58.839
it's most important that We listen to

00:42:58.960 --> 00:43:00.696
the concerns of the operator. And the

00:43:00.720 --> 00:43:03.095
operator is saying that to have a

00:43:03.119 --> 00:43:06.055
function, it needs to be able to finish

00:43:06.079 --> 00:43:08.936
at a decent time. Not everyone who goes

00:43:08.960 --> 00:43:11.575
out on a function wants to have, you

00:43:11.599 --> 00:43:13.416
know, councelor Brown sleeping hours

00:43:13.440 --> 00:43:15.496
where I go to bed around 9:00. Some

00:43:15.520 --> 00:43:17.736
people want to stay up till 10:00, even

00:43:17.760 --> 00:43:20.760
10:30 these days. So, we need to make

00:43:20.880 --> 00:43:23.880
sure that our um our  our businesses

00:43:24.880 --> 00:43:27.335
are allowed to stay open. It's crazy for

00:43:27.359 --> 00:43:29.176
us to be trying to get a nighttime in

00:43:29.200 --> 00:43:32.200
economy, nighttime economy in Cayama and

00:43:32.240 --> 00:43:34.295
we're imposing

00:43:34.319 --> 00:43:37.176
absolutely crazy restrictive trading

00:43:37.200 --> 00:43:40.136
hours to a business  in Jeringong. We

00:43:40.160 --> 00:43:42.696
need to make sure the whole municipality

00:43:42.720 --> 00:43:45.720
 has the the vision of vibrancy 

00:43:46.560 --> 00:43:49.016
because you know that's that's how these

00:43:49.040 --> 00:43:51.176
places operated. back when I used to

00:43:51.200 --> 00:43:53.736
work there, it wouldn't be unusual for

00:43:53.760 --> 00:43:55.416
me after cleaning up and putting

00:43:55.440 --> 00:43:57.496
everything away to finally arrive home

00:43:57.520 --> 00:44:00.520
at 1:00  in the morning. Again, there

00:44:00.880 --> 00:44:03.335
was a lot of respect  for local

00:44:03.359 --> 00:44:05.976
residents and I can't see why that

00:44:06.000 --> 00:44:08.936
that um hasn't hasn't changed at all.

00:44:08.960 --> 00:44:11.575
Thanks, Council. I'm asking, Mr. Mayor,

00:44:11.599 --> 00:44:13.335
I'm probably up to my 3 minutes.

00:44:13.359 --> 00:44:15.656
 that we  seriously consider

00:44:15.680 --> 00:44:17.416
supporting this business rather than

00:44:17.440 --> 00:44:20.295
hampering it. So, Council Larkins, are you

00:44:20.319 --> 00:44:22.696
accepting of that amendment or?

00:44:22.720 --> 00:44:24.696
, the amendment is accepted.

00:44:24.720 --> 00:44:27.720
Okay. So, that's becoming the motion.

00:44:29.920 --> 00:44:32.616
Council Arens, happy to move on. Don't

00:44:32.640 --> 00:44:34.776
want to speak to the to the motion.

00:44:34.800 --> 00:44:36.936
Council matters. Okay. , Council

00:44:36.960 --> 00:44:38.136
Lorton.

00:44:38.160 --> 00:44:41.160
Yeah. I I would and I know I'm going to

00:44:41.760 --> 00:44:44.536
get hammered. Um I would like to propose

00:44:44.560 --> 00:44:47.560
an amendment just to the times if I may.

00:44:48.640 --> 00:44:51.640
So with the restaurant

00:44:52.560 --> 00:44:55.016
um if we could look at the Sunday to be

00:44:55.040 --> 00:44:58.040
a separate  so so the restaurant hours

00:44:58.480 --> 00:45:01.480
Monday to Saturday be 7:00 a.m. to 11:30

00:45:01.760 --> 00:45:04.295
p.m. with the Sunday operation being

00:45:04.319 --> 00:45:07.319
7:00 a.m. to 10:30 p.m.

00:45:09.839 --> 00:45:12.839
And the function the um understanding

00:45:13.119 --> 00:45:15.575
from this um amendment that there is no

00:45:15.599 --> 00:45:17.656
functions permitted on a Sunday. Is that

00:45:17.680 --> 00:45:20.456
correct?

00:45:20.480 --> 00:45:23.480
Um CO

00:45:25.359 --> 00:45:27.335
through you may that's certainly how the

00:45:27.359 --> 00:45:29.416
hours of operation read on the screen

00:45:29.440 --> 00:45:31.176
which is consistent with the noise

00:45:31.200 --> 00:45:32.696
impact assessment provided by the

00:45:32.720 --> 00:45:34.216
applicant.

00:45:34.240 --> 00:45:37.240
So no operation function on Sunday.

00:45:40.079 --> 00:45:41.815
Okay. Council Larkins, you prepared to

00:45:41.839 --> 00:45:43.496
accept that amendment?

00:45:43.520 --> 00:45:46.295
Um, I just want to get comment from the

00:45:46.319 --> 00:45:49.319
director in relation to the restaurant

00:45:49.839 --> 00:45:51.976
hours whether that was already what was

00:45:52.000 --> 00:45:54.936
going to occur prior to this amendment.

00:45:54.960 --> 00:45:57.736
I vaguely do remember seeing that there

00:45:57.760 --> 00:46:00.536
was a differentiated time for Sunday.

00:46:00.560 --> 00:46:02.456
So, I just wanted to get comment in

00:46:02.480 --> 00:46:04.456
relation to the amendment that 

00:46:04.480 --> 00:46:06.696
councelor Lorton is proposing just to

00:46:06.720 --> 00:46:08.536
make sure that that's lawful.

00:46:08.560 --> 00:46:10.136
See you.

00:46:10.160 --> 00:46:13.160
Chief Director.

00:46:23.119 --> 00:46:24.696
Well, we're waiting for that. Welcome,

00:46:24.720 --> 00:46:27.720
Mr. Bell.

00:46:30.079 --> 00:46:31.736
I actually did send you a text telling

00:46:31.760 --> 00:46:34.760
you it was 4:00 p.m.

00:46:34.880 --> 00:46:37.656
Excuse me, mayor, if I may. in  on

00:46:37.680 --> 00:46:40.376
page um

00:46:40.400 --> 00:46:43.176
sorry I've got terrible glasses. Page

00:46:43.200 --> 00:46:46.200
107, it does actually state that the

00:46:46.960 --> 00:46:49.016
function center hours are proposed as

00:46:49.040 --> 00:46:52.040
Monday to Sunday, 8:00 a.m. to 11:30

00:46:52.160 --> 00:46:53.815
p.m.

00:46:53.839 --> 00:46:55.736
The restaurant hours are Monday to

00:46:55.760 --> 00:46:58.760
Sunday, 7:00 a.m. to 11:30 p.m. So, what

00:47:00.319 --> 00:47:02.696
I'm requesting as an amendment is to

00:47:02.720 --> 00:47:05.720
have the restaurant Monday to Saturday,

00:47:06.079 --> 00:47:09.079
7:00 a.m. to 11:30 p.m. with the Sunday

00:47:09.440 --> 00:47:12.440
operation 7:00 a.m. 10:30 p.m. and the

00:47:13.680 --> 00:47:16.680
rest um and the function area to be 

00:47:17.280 --> 00:47:19.656
the same but with start times at 8:00

00:47:19.680 --> 00:47:22.680
a.m. as shown in the business paper.

00:47:22.880 --> 00:47:25.575
I'll second that.

00:47:25.599 --> 00:47:27.416
Sorry.

00:47:27.440 --> 00:47:29.815
Oh, we just we're just clarifying those.

00:47:29.839 --> 00:47:31.256
Y that question.

00:47:31.280 --> 00:47:33.016
Thank you for the question, Council Larkins

00:47:33.040 --> 00:47:35.176
through you, Mr. Mayor. the conditions

00:47:35.200 --> 00:47:37.575
of consent, draft conditions of consent

00:47:37.599 --> 00:47:39.896
I should say, enclose with your business

00:47:39.920 --> 00:47:42.920
paper. It's on page 775

00:47:44.000 --> 00:47:47.000
of the gargantuan enclosure pack. Um,

00:47:47.599 --> 00:47:50.376
it's condition 85. As recommended by

00:47:50.400 --> 00:47:52.936
staff, the restaurant hours were to be

00:47:52.960 --> 00:47:55.960
Monday to Sunday, 7:00 a.m. to 11:30

00:47:56.720 --> 00:47:59.335
p.m. As I understood from the speaker at

00:47:59.359 --> 00:48:01.335
public access, those conditions weren't

00:48:01.359 --> 00:48:03.736
disputed. It was the function room

00:48:03.760 --> 00:48:06.055
conditions that were disputed. The hours

00:48:06.079 --> 00:48:09.079
of operation recommended by staff were

00:48:10.240 --> 00:48:13.240
Monday to Saturday 8 a.m. to 1000 p.m.

00:48:15.200 --> 00:48:17.016
We could probably Yeah, the the intent

00:48:17.040 --> 00:48:19.496
from councelor Brown is to increase that

00:48:19.520 --> 00:48:22.520
to 11:30 p.m. consistent with um the

00:48:23.839 --> 00:48:26.295
submitted noise impact assessment. And

00:48:26.319 --> 00:48:28.456
then on Sunday, the recommended hours of

00:48:28.480 --> 00:48:31.480
operation were 8:00 a.m. to 900 p.m.

00:48:37.680 --> 00:48:40.680
Yeah.

00:48:41.520 --> 00:48:42.776
Sorry.

00:48:42.800 --> 00:48:44.776
Yeah. I'll just  wait. I think the CEO

00:48:44.800 --> 00:48:45.896
I'll let the CEO

00:48:45.920 --> 00:48:47.896
continue to confirm what we're dealing

00:48:47.920 --> 00:48:50.616
with here.

00:48:50.640 --> 00:48:52.936
The joys of enormous agendas. I can

00:48:52.960 --> 00:48:55.736
barely even lift that.  look on my

00:48:55.760 --> 00:48:58.760
route of this  on page 107

00:48:59.280 --> 00:49:02.280
the staff have written in there 7:00

00:49:02.400 --> 00:49:05.400
a.m. till 11:30 Monday to Sunday. That's

00:49:06.079 --> 00:49:08.136
for the restaurant. And then for the

00:49:08.160 --> 00:49:11.160
function center it's 8:00 a.m. to 11:30

00:49:11.760 --> 00:49:14.760
p.m. Monday to Sunday. in the con in

00:49:15.839 --> 00:49:18.839
what you're reading on page 775

00:49:19.920 --> 00:49:22.920
and which I might add the speaker who is

00:49:23.920 --> 00:49:26.376
actually the owner wrote to all

00:49:26.400 --> 00:49:29.335
counselors as well today that was

00:49:29.359 --> 00:49:31.176
distributed this morning to all

00:49:31.200 --> 00:49:34.200
counselors but the hours of operation

00:49:34.400 --> 00:49:37.400
are listed as Monday to Sunday for the

00:49:37.520 --> 00:49:39.736
restaurant 7 till 11:30 so that's

00:49:39.760 --> 00:49:42.760
consistent for the function room Monday

00:49:43.520 --> 00:49:46.295
to Saturday 8:00 a.m. till 10:00 p.m.

00:49:46.319 --> 00:49:47.976
Sunday

00:49:48.000 --> 00:49:51.000
8:00 a.m. till 9. So the staff have

00:49:51.200 --> 00:49:54.200
actually recommended and conditioned

00:49:54.480 --> 00:49:57.480
over and above aligning with page 107.

00:49:59.040 --> 00:50:01.736
That's my understanding. Is that yours?

00:50:01.760 --> 00:50:04.760
So the through you may the hours of

00:50:05.680 --> 00:50:08.376
operation listed on page 107 are what

00:50:08.400 --> 00:50:11.400
was sought by the applicant and the

00:50:11.680 --> 00:50:13.656
difference is then in the enclosures

00:50:13.680 --> 00:50:16.295
staff have recommended reduced hours

00:50:16.319 --> 00:50:18.055
which was the point made by the speaker

00:50:18.079 --> 00:50:20.856
at public access. So the proposal sought

00:50:20.880 --> 00:50:23.335
by the applicant is hours of operation

00:50:23.359 --> 00:50:26.359
for the restaurant 7:00 a.m. to 11:30

00:50:26.480 --> 00:50:29.416
Monday through to Sunday and then for

00:50:29.440 --> 00:50:31.176
the function center Monday through to

00:50:31.200 --> 00:50:34.055
Sunday 8:00 a.m. to 11:30 p.m. That

00:50:34.079 --> 00:50:35.976
would be different to the email that was

00:50:36.000 --> 00:50:38.216
circulated by the owner today is what

00:50:38.240 --> 00:50:39.256
you're saying.

00:50:39.280 --> 00:50:42.280
Okay. Look, I'm happy to accept the

00:50:43.119 --> 00:50:46.119
amendment and to move on. Um I would

00:50:46.319 --> 00:50:49.319
caution obviously getting too involved

00:50:49.359 --> 00:50:51.575
in these  different time frames. I

00:50:51.599 --> 00:50:53.976
think it's quite fair and reasonable

00:50:54.000 --> 00:50:56.535
what is what was proposed initially. If

00:50:56.559 --> 00:50:58.936
if council Lorton just wants the hour

00:50:58.960 --> 00:51:00.936
reduction. I think that was what the

00:51:00.960 --> 00:51:02.616
intention was particularly for Sunday

00:51:02.640 --> 00:51:04.295
then I'm happy to support the amendment.

00:51:04.319 --> 00:51:07.319
So um I think we just move on now.

00:51:08.559 --> 00:51:11.559
Okay. So that's become the motion.

00:51:13.280 --> 00:51:16.280
Do we have any  further

00:51:16.400 --> 00:51:19.400
comments, queries? No. Okay. Well, I'll

00:51:20.400 --> 00:51:22.456
put the motion. All those in favor,

00:51:22.480 --> 00:51:24.295
raise your hands.

00:51:24.319 --> 00:51:26.776
All those  sorry, council matters,

00:51:26.800 --> 00:51:28.856
council Warren, council Cains,

00:51:28.880 --> 00:51:30.295
councelor Dresma, Council Tatray,

00:51:30.319 --> 00:51:31.815
Council Brown, Council Lorton, Council

00:51:31.839 --> 00:51:34.456
Larkins, Council McDonald. The motions

00:51:34.480 --> 00:51:37.335
carried.

00:51:37.359 --> 00:51:39.496
For those watching on, we are at item

00:51:39.520 --> 00:51:41.335
15.4, four which is determination

00:51:41.359 --> 00:51:44.359
development application number 10 2025

00:51:44.800 --> 00:51:47.800
1311 part 4 DP744186

00:51:48.640 --> 00:51:51.335
and lot 5 DP740

00:51:51.359 --> 00:51:53.656
 sorry 240784

00:51:53.680 --> 00:51:56.680
85 W road Jambaroo new dwelling house

00:51:56.720 --> 00:51:58.936
and new swimming pool you have the

00:51:58.960 --> 00:52:01.815
recommendation before you anyone like to

00:52:01.839 --> 00:52:04.216
move that councelor Cains

00:52:04.240 --> 00:52:05.976
um thank you Mr. Mayor what I'd like to

00:52:06.000 --> 00:52:07.736
do is I'd like to move a deferral of

00:52:07.760 --> 00:52:10.136
this matter and

00:52:10.160 --> 00:52:13.160
Let me briefly um explain why is because

00:52:13.920 --> 00:52:16.920
we have two concurrent issues that that

00:52:18.160 --> 00:52:20.535
deserve to be treated independently.

00:52:20.559 --> 00:52:23.335
One, we've got the technical merits of

00:52:23.359 --> 00:52:26.216
this application which is of a concern

00:52:26.240 --> 00:52:28.216
and the other one is a discussion that

00:52:28.240 --> 00:52:30.616
is worth having in this council about

00:52:30.640 --> 00:52:33.640
whether we can apply 4.6 six in relation

00:52:34.160 --> 00:52:35.736
to

00:52:35.760 --> 00:52:38.376
 lot sizes that are below the 40

00:52:38.400 --> 00:52:41.400
hectare threshold to be able to separate

00:52:41.440 --> 00:52:44.440
those I believe that it's worth

00:52:44.800 --> 00:52:47.016
deferring this matter putting it back to

00:52:47.040 --> 00:52:48.776
the owner getting them to address the

00:52:48.800 --> 00:52:50.616
technical matters and then in February

00:52:50.640 --> 00:52:53.335
we can come back and have a juicy hairy

00:52:53.359 --> 00:52:55.335
chested conversation about whether this

00:52:55.359 --> 00:52:58.359
council is prepared to consider um lot

00:52:59.200 --> 00:53:02.200
sizes under 40 hectares from which to

00:53:02.400 --> 00:53:05.256
apply to to  to approve a dwelling.

00:53:05.280 --> 00:53:08.280
Do you have a secret? Councelor Dantree.

00:53:08.559 --> 00:53:09.976
Councelor Cains like to speak further

00:53:10.000 --> 00:53:13.000
to your amendment or your deferral?

00:53:13.359 --> 00:53:14.856
Council Larkins.

00:53:14.880 --> 00:53:17.496
 yes. Firstly, a question through to

00:53:17.520 --> 00:53:19.976
the director in relation to the

00:53:20.000 --> 00:53:22.856
deferral. Um just to confirm that a

00:53:22.880 --> 00:53:25.880
deferral would add how many days to the

00:53:26.960 --> 00:53:29.176
time frame on this particular DA for

00:53:29.200 --> 00:53:31.736
assessment.

00:53:31.760 --> 00:53:34.696
 through your mayor if the deferral

00:53:34.720 --> 00:53:37.656
well at the earliest given that this

00:53:37.680 --> 00:53:39.896
DA represents more than a 10% variation

00:53:39.920 --> 00:53:41.976
it needs to come back to council. At

00:53:42.000 --> 00:53:43.896
your November meeting you adopted your

00:53:43.920 --> 00:53:45.496
schedule of meetings for next year. The

00:53:45.520 --> 00:53:47.575
next available meeting is February. So

00:53:47.599 --> 00:53:50.136
that would add an additional roughly 60

00:53:50.160 --> 00:53:52.936
days onto that assessment process. That

00:53:52.960 --> 00:53:55.575
is also um subject to the applicant

00:53:55.599 --> 00:53:57.176
addressing the points that councelor

00:53:57.200 --> 00:53:59.656
Cain's raised satisfactorily with enough

00:53:59.680 --> 00:54:01.656
time for the business paper to be

00:54:01.680 --> 00:54:04.680
prepared. So at least 60 days

00:54:05.280 --> 00:54:06.776
could be more depending on when the

00:54:06.800 --> 00:54:07.896
information is provided by the

00:54:07.920 --> 00:54:08.616
applicant.

00:54:08.640 --> 00:54:10.936
Look given that I don't support the

00:54:10.960 --> 00:54:13.496
deferral I think we need to be um making

00:54:13.520 --> 00:54:16.055
decisions  on this matter. We know

00:54:16.079 --> 00:54:17.736
that this particular issue particularly

00:54:17.760 --> 00:54:20.760
around um the 4.6

00:54:22.000 --> 00:54:23.976
issues, I believe that's the policy

00:54:24.000 --> 00:54:26.696
issue with the LEAP and some case law um

00:54:26.720 --> 00:54:29.335
has brought up a lot of these these DAS.

00:54:29.359 --> 00:54:31.016
Um I don't think that's going to change

00:54:31.040 --> 00:54:34.040
within 60 days.  so I foreshadow the

00:54:35.280 --> 00:54:37.256
um staff recommendation should the

00:54:37.280 --> 00:54:40.280
deferral  not proceed.

00:54:41.280 --> 00:54:44.280
Thanks Councelor Larkins. Councelor D. 

00:54:44.960 --> 00:54:47.016
thank you Mr. Mayor. I just through to

00:54:47.040 --> 00:54:48.776
the staff I just have a question around

00:54:48.800 --> 00:54:51.800
whether um any discussions occurred 

00:54:52.000 --> 00:54:54.136
with the consultant yesterday following

00:54:54.160 --> 00:54:56.696
public access  specifically around the

00:54:56.720 --> 00:54:59.720
non-compliances of  the  flood

00:55:00.319 --> 00:55:02.856
planning as well as um dealing with

00:55:02.880 --> 00:55:05.736
sewage on the site um whether that that

00:55:05.760 --> 00:55:07.736
um discussion was conducive to the fact

00:55:07.760 --> 00:55:08.776
that they would submit that

00:55:08.800 --> 00:55:11.016
documentation if the matter were to be

00:55:11.040 --> 00:55:11.896
deferred.

00:55:11.920 --> 00:55:14.295
Thanks Council Draisma CEO. Thank you,

00:55:14.319 --> 00:55:15.176
director.

00:55:15.200 --> 00:55:17.736
Three mayor. No, no conversations have

00:55:17.760 --> 00:55:19.496
occurred. The applicant hasn't reached

00:55:19.520 --> 00:55:21.815
out. We've had um a convers well

00:55:21.839 --> 00:55:23.736
attempted obviously through the portal.

00:55:23.760 --> 00:55:25.496
They are aware of the staff's position

00:55:25.520 --> 00:55:26.936
given the publication of the business

00:55:26.960 --> 00:55:29.095
paper last week. Um and then as the

00:55:29.119 --> 00:55:31.656
speaker mentioned there last night, he

00:55:31.680 --> 00:55:34.680
is now aware of all the issues.

00:55:35.359 --> 00:55:37.575
Thank you.

00:55:37.599 --> 00:55:40.599
Anyone else? Okay. Before we  put the

00:55:42.079 --> 00:55:43.335
motion for the deferral, councelor

00:55:43.359 --> 00:55:45.416
Cains, um the use of the words

00:55:45.440 --> 00:55:47.575
inappropriate  inappropriate hairy

00:55:47.599 --> 00:55:49.256
chested in the chamber. If you could

00:55:49.280 --> 00:55:52.136
withdraw those words, that would be

00:55:52.160 --> 00:55:55.160
accepted.

00:55:56.559 --> 00:55:58.456
I'm I'm sorry, Mr. May. Can you explain

00:55:58.480 --> 00:56:00.456
a little bit more about why you deem

00:56:00.480 --> 00:56:01.335
those inappropriate?

00:56:01.359 --> 00:56:03.256
Just a little bit inappropriate with

00:56:03.280 --> 00:56:05.335
regards to the tone that we're trying to

00:56:05.359 --> 00:56:08.359
set here in the chamber.

00:56:08.960 --> 00:56:11.960
You going to withdraw those words?

00:56:13.680 --> 00:56:15.736
It's It's not inappropriate. I'm not

00:56:15.760 --> 00:56:18.760
going to withdraw those words.

00:56:18.960 --> 00:56:20.936
Okay. Um

00:56:20.960 --> 00:56:22.936
it's part of the general lexicon.

00:56:22.960 --> 00:56:24.616
I've asked you to withdraw. So, you'll

00:56:24.640 --> 00:56:25.815
need a motion to descent if you don't

00:56:25.839 --> 00:56:28.295
agree with my ruling. Otherwise, you'll

00:56:28.319 --> 00:56:31.319
withdraw those words.

00:56:32.960 --> 00:56:34.856
I'd like to move a motion of descent

00:56:34.880 --> 00:56:36.936
because I I don't intend to withdraw

00:56:36.960 --> 00:56:39.815
those without without understanding.

00:56:39.839 --> 00:56:41.176
Thanks, Council Cain. Do you have a

00:56:41.200 --> 00:56:44.200
second?

00:56:47.680 --> 00:56:49.176
Don't have a second. Councelor Cains.

00:56:49.200 --> 00:56:50.936
So, you withdraw those words.

00:56:50.960 --> 00:56:51.575
I withdraw.

00:56:51.599 --> 00:56:53.656
Thanks, Councelor Cains. Okay, we'll

00:56:53.680 --> 00:56:55.736
put that

00:56:55.760 --> 00:56:58.696
motion of deferral to the floor. All

00:56:58.720 --> 00:57:01.720
those in favor raise your hands.

00:57:02.000 --> 00:57:05.000
Now that being a planning matter,

00:57:05.520 --> 00:57:07.575
council Warren, councelor Cains,

00:57:07.599 --> 00:57:09.976
councelor Dreasma, councelor Tatray. All

00:57:10.000 --> 00:57:13.000
those against, councelor Matters,

00:57:13.680 --> 00:57:15.256
councelor Brown, council Lorton,

00:57:15.280 --> 00:57:17.496
councelor Larkins, council McDonald. So

00:57:17.520 --> 00:57:19.656
the motion for deferral has been

00:57:19.680 --> 00:57:21.176
defeated.

00:57:21.200 --> 00:57:24.200
So council Larkins has foreshadowed the

00:57:24.240 --> 00:57:25.016
original motion.

00:57:25.040 --> 00:57:26.775
Yep. I'll move the  staff

00:57:26.799 --> 00:57:29.496
recommendation. Do we have a seconder?

00:57:29.520 --> 00:57:31.575
Council Lorton. Council Larkins like to

00:57:31.599 --> 00:57:32.216
speak to the matter.

00:57:32.240 --> 00:57:34.456
I'll I'll again keep it brief. I think

00:57:34.480 --> 00:57:37.335
that um there are a number of complex 

00:57:37.359 --> 00:57:40.359
issues particularly around um policy and

00:57:40.559 --> 00:57:43.176
the leap and in light of case law. 

00:57:43.200 --> 00:57:45.575
we've been through this before  with a

00:57:45.599 --> 00:57:47.736
previous DA um that has come before

00:57:47.760 --> 00:57:50.216
council. Obviously the next agenda item

00:57:50.240 --> 00:57:52.856
has similar  issues and there's other

00:57:52.880 --> 00:57:55.256
aspects to this as well. Um I'm happy to

00:57:55.280 --> 00:57:57.016
support the staff recommendation and I

00:57:57.040 --> 00:57:59.176
believe that when appropriate  we

00:57:59.200 --> 00:58:02.200
should have the policy and and um you

00:58:02.480 --> 00:58:05.095
know discussion around around that on a

00:58:05.119 --> 00:58:07.896
separate matter not necessarily on 

00:58:07.920 --> 00:58:10.696
individual development applications. 

00:58:10.720 --> 00:58:12.775
so I believe we just have to continue

00:58:12.799 --> 00:58:15.799
with  rolling on with what the law

00:58:16.240 --> 00:58:18.856
says um and then um back in our staff

00:58:18.880 --> 00:58:20.696
and their assessment process.

00:58:20.720 --> 00:58:22.616
Thanks Council Larkins. Council Lord like

00:58:22.640 --> 00:58:24.775
to speak to the motion

00:58:24.799 --> 00:58:27.799
as second. No. Councelor Brown.

00:58:28.319 --> 00:58:30.136
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um, also wanting

00:58:30.160 --> 00:58:32.535
to keep it very brief. I concur with the

00:58:32.559 --> 00:58:35.095
sentiments from councelor Larkins, but I

00:58:35.119 --> 00:58:38.119
also  certainly respect the view of

00:58:38.799 --> 00:58:41.656
councelor Cains. , this is the most

00:58:41.680 --> 00:58:44.680
arbitrary crazy law that I've ever seen

00:58:44.799 --> 00:58:47.799
in local government. Um, I had just been

00:58:48.640 --> 00:58:51.640
elected to council in 2016 and there was

00:58:52.319 --> 00:58:55.319
this sunset clause whereas if you didn't

00:58:56.240 --> 00:58:58.696
lodge a DA to build a home, you were

00:58:58.720 --> 00:59:00.696
forever bitten to do it. And I just

00:59:00.720 --> 00:59:03.720
think that is a is a crazy crazy law.

00:59:04.240 --> 00:59:06.216
, not everyone was in a position to do

00:59:06.240 --> 00:59:08.936
it at that time. And I think u Mr. Tory

00:59:08.960 --> 00:59:11.496
last night, Sebastian Tory explained the

00:59:11.520 --> 00:59:14.136
circumstances very well for for his

00:59:14.160 --> 00:59:17.095
client. I will be siding with the law as

00:59:17.119 --> 00:59:19.256
I always do in this chamber and rarely

00:59:19.280 --> 00:59:21.256
would I ever go against a staff

00:59:21.280 --> 00:59:23.335
recommendation, but I think we are

00:59:23.359 --> 00:59:25.575
between a rock and a hard spot. And it

00:59:25.599 --> 00:59:27.176
is something that is concerning a number

00:59:27.200 --> 00:59:30.200
of our residents in this community who

00:59:30.319 --> 00:59:33.319
were not in a position  in 2016 to

00:59:34.480 --> 00:59:35.575
proceed with the development

00:59:35.599 --> 00:59:37.896
application, but they are now. They've

00:59:37.920 --> 00:59:40.856
got very viable agricultural land. They

00:59:40.880 --> 00:59:42.775
want to build a house to be close to

00:59:42.799 --> 00:59:44.535
their their stock and their flock and

00:59:44.559 --> 00:59:47.335
their their cattle and  the law law

00:59:47.359 --> 00:59:50.359
prevents it. So I am voting to uphold

00:59:50.640 --> 00:59:52.696
the law, but Mr. Mayor, I do so with

00:59:52.720 --> 00:59:55.720
with a heavy heart and I can't see why

00:59:56.960 --> 00:59:59.736
2016 is this special year where you

00:59:59.760 --> 01:00:02.760
could build a house, but now in 2025 you

01:00:03.119 --> 01:00:05.335
simply can't.

01:00:05.359 --> 01:00:06.936
Thanks, Councelor Brown. certainly make

01:00:06.960 --> 01:00:09.656
a comment that  early on in our term

01:00:09.680 --> 01:00:12.376
um I proposed that we address an LEAP

01:00:12.400 --> 01:00:15.400
amendment. Um that motion was lost. I

01:00:16.000 --> 01:00:19.000
recall it was 8 to1. Um and I licking my

01:00:19.200 --> 01:00:21.335
wounds ever since. But essentially I

01:00:21.359 --> 01:00:23.496
think that you are correct in that  we

01:00:23.520 --> 01:00:25.416
do need to address these outliers in our

01:00:25.440 --> 01:00:28.055
leap whether it's by way of our rural

01:00:28.079 --> 01:00:30.136
land strategy which essentially we'll be

01:00:30.160 --> 01:00:32.696
looking at doing next year or a member

01:00:32.720 --> 01:00:35.656
steel EP. Um and I think that um if we

01:00:35.680 --> 01:00:38.680
can tidy up some of these um these

01:00:38.799 --> 01:00:40.856
points in our leap which aren't helpful

01:00:40.880 --> 01:00:42.696
and they are difficult decisions because

01:00:42.720 --> 01:00:44.535
we are looking at preserving

01:00:44.559 --> 01:00:47.176
agricultural land while um addressing a

01:00:47.200 --> 01:00:49.976
housing crisis that essentially we we

01:00:50.000 --> 01:00:52.616
will come across this issue um

01:00:52.640 --> 01:00:55.095
consistently and I think that I I do

01:00:55.119 --> 01:00:56.616
agree that essentially we'll have to

01:00:56.640 --> 01:00:59.640
address it at some stage. Um, so any

01:01:00.799 --> 01:01:03.799
further comment? So we are voting on the

01:01:03.920 --> 01:01:06.920
staff recommendation which is to refuse

01:01:07.119 --> 01:01:10.119
the development application. So I'll put

01:01:10.240 --> 01:01:13.240
that motion to the floor. So all those

01:01:14.480 --> 01:01:17.095
in favor of the staff recommendation to

01:01:17.119 --> 01:01:20.119
refuse, put your hands up. So councelor

01:01:20.319 --> 01:01:22.616
matters, councelor Draisma, councelor

01:01:22.640 --> 01:01:24.136
Brown, councelor Lorton, councelor

01:01:24.160 --> 01:01:26.936
Larkins, councelor McDonald. All those

01:01:26.960 --> 01:01:29.416
against. Council Warren, councelor

01:01:29.440 --> 01:01:32.055
Kayes, councelor Tatray. The motion's

01:01:32.079 --> 01:01:34.136
carried.

01:01:34.160 --> 01:01:37.160
Okay. We're at item 15.5,

01:01:37.200 --> 01:01:38.936
which is the termination of development

01:01:38.960 --> 01:01:41.960
application number 10, 2025131.1,

01:01:42.720 --> 01:01:45.720
lot 33, DP 605608,

01:01:46.400 --> 01:01:48.696
Jambbury Road, Jambru, New Dwelling

01:01:48.720 --> 01:01:50.535
House. You have the recommendation

01:01:50.559 --> 01:01:53.335
before you. Do I have a mover?

01:01:53.359 --> 01:01:55.496
I'll move the staff recommendation.

01:01:55.520 --> 01:01:58.520
Council Larkins seconded.

01:01:59.280 --> 01:02:02.216
Council Lorton. Council Larkins like to

01:02:02.240 --> 01:02:03.656
speak to the motion.

01:02:03.680 --> 01:02:06.680
 again, just briefly, it's um very

01:02:06.960 --> 01:02:08.775
there's some similar aspects to the

01:02:08.799 --> 01:02:11.799
previous DA  in regards to the LAP. Um

01:02:11.920 --> 01:02:13.496
I won't refresh it, but I'm happy to

01:02:13.520 --> 01:02:15.896
back in the staff recommendation  for

01:02:15.920 --> 01:02:18.136
this  item.

01:02:18.160 --> 01:02:21.160
Thanks, Council Larkins. Council Council

01:02:21.359 --> 01:02:23.176
Draisma.

01:02:23.200 --> 01:02:24.856
 thank you, Mr. Mayor. I'd like to

01:02:24.880 --> 01:02:27.880
foreshadow should this motion fail um a

01:02:27.920 --> 01:02:30.920
a motion to defer the item.

01:02:31.599 --> 01:02:34.599
Thanks councelor Dwella.

01:02:36.880 --> 01:02:39.335
Council Warren.

01:02:39.359 --> 01:02:41.016
Thank you Mr. Mayor. I just wanted to

01:02:41.040 --> 01:02:42.936
share the sentiments of councelor Brown

01:02:42.960 --> 01:02:45.960
and councelor Cains um in regard to the

01:02:46.000 --> 01:02:48.295
the sunset clause. It's extremely

01:02:48.319 --> 01:02:51.319
outdated and I think it would be

01:02:51.520 --> 01:02:53.815
beneficial to our community and th those

01:02:53.839 --> 01:02:56.839
who own these blocks of land that um

01:02:57.040 --> 01:02:59.976
that we support that we move forward in

01:03:00.000 --> 01:03:02.055
making some changes to either the LEP or

01:03:02.079 --> 01:03:04.535
the rural lands and um allow them to

01:03:04.559 --> 01:03:06.936
build on the property that they've had

01:03:06.960 --> 01:03:08.456
um

01:03:08.480 --> 01:03:09.896
um so that they can build their own home

01:03:09.920 --> 01:03:11.976
or whatever it is that they they wish to

01:03:12.000 --> 01:03:14.456
be to to build. Thank you.

01:03:14.480 --> 01:03:17.480
Thanks, Council Warren. Councelor Dre.

01:03:18.160 --> 01:03:19.896
, thank you, Mr. Mayor. Look, , just

01:03:19.920 --> 01:03:22.535
briefly, I think, um, the speaker was

01:03:22.559 --> 01:03:25.256
clear in kind of outlining the intention

01:03:25.280 --> 01:03:28.280
um of of why they were seeking to have a

01:03:28.400 --> 01:03:31.015
residential dwelling approved on the lot

01:03:31.039 --> 01:03:33.496
um to I guess further the capacity to

01:03:33.520 --> 01:03:35.896
intensively farm on the lot. , and

01:03:35.920 --> 01:03:37.335
they spoke about um the current

01:03:37.359 --> 01:03:39.095
adjustment that occurs on that lot as

01:03:39.119 --> 01:03:40.936
well. I think there are some 

01:03:40.960 --> 01:03:42.616
practical changes that do need to be

01:03:42.640 --> 01:03:44.376
made to the DA particularly around the

01:03:44.400 --> 01:03:45.575
setback and there were some other

01:03:45.599 --> 01:03:48.599
concerns but I think um we need to look

01:03:48.720 --> 01:03:51.720
at this in context and I think  as has

01:03:51.839 --> 01:03:53.256
been said already tonight I think

01:03:53.280 --> 01:03:56.280
there's some um you know we don't want

01:03:56.480 --> 01:03:59.480
to sanitize this lot um there is there

01:03:59.680 --> 01:04:01.256
is the real consideration about

01:04:01.280 --> 01:04:03.416
maintaining rural heritage and making

01:04:03.440 --> 01:04:05.896
sure that those  rural lands are used

01:04:05.920 --> 01:04:08.295
for their purpose as as a primary means

01:04:08.319 --> 01:04:10.775
but I think if  those changes are made

01:04:10.799 --> 01:04:12.856
to the DA, I think that would go some

01:04:12.880 --> 01:04:15.335
way to allaying the concerns that have

01:04:15.359 --> 01:04:17.095
um been brought up by the staff. But I

01:04:17.119 --> 01:04:19.896
think there the  the issue of the 40

01:04:19.920 --> 01:04:22.295
hectare lot is um unfortunately going to

01:04:22.319 --> 01:04:24.535
continue to plague this particular piece

01:04:24.559 --> 01:04:26.936
of land.  and we have a duty to make

01:04:26.960 --> 01:04:28.696
sure that we're doing everything we can

01:04:28.720 --> 01:04:30.535
to enable people to use their land in a

01:04:30.559 --> 01:04:32.216
constructive way.

01:04:32.240 --> 01:04:34.216
Thanks, Councelor Drezison. Councelor

01:04:34.240 --> 01:04:36.376
Cains.

01:04:36.400 --> 01:04:38.856
Um thank you, Mr. Mayor. really just

01:04:38.880 --> 01:04:40.376
reiterating some of the points that

01:04:40.400 --> 01:04:43.400
councelor Draisma has has put up.

01:04:44.160 --> 01:04:46.535
I I think it I think it is really

01:04:46.559 --> 01:04:48.856
important for us to have a discussion

01:04:48.880 --> 01:04:51.256
about this about this issue at some

01:04:51.280 --> 01:04:54.280
stage. It is an incredibly ownorous

01:04:55.359 --> 01:04:57.656
punitive

01:04:57.680 --> 01:04:59.656
 consequence to say to somebody

01:04:59.680 --> 01:05:02.680
because you weren't able to put your DA

01:05:03.599 --> 01:05:05.896
in in a specific period of time that

01:05:05.920 --> 01:05:08.295
forever we're removing that aspect of

01:05:08.319 --> 01:05:10.856
your property rights.

01:05:10.880 --> 01:05:13.256
We're also we're also aware without

01:05:13.280 --> 01:05:15.656
going into the specifics at all. We're

01:05:15.680 --> 01:05:18.295
starting to become aware that the land

01:05:18.319 --> 01:05:20.136
and environment court might be

01:05:20.160 --> 01:05:22.936
differently disposed in their view

01:05:22.960 --> 01:05:25.416
towards these matters than our planning

01:05:25.440 --> 01:05:27.095
staff

01:05:27.119 --> 01:05:29.656
given that one might be looking more at

01:05:29.680 --> 01:05:31.575
the objectives of the leap and the other

01:05:31.599 --> 01:05:34.136
might be looking at the  at the

01:05:34.160 --> 01:05:36.535
prescribed technical aspects of the way

01:05:36.559 --> 01:05:39.496
that the leap is written.

01:05:39.520 --> 01:05:42.055
Variously amongst us amongst us all

01:05:42.079 --> 01:05:45.079
we've been having a discussion about

01:05:45.359 --> 01:05:48.359
do we just wait for some sort of major

01:05:48.640 --> 01:05:51.640
global leap change or do do we deal with

01:05:52.240 --> 01:05:55.240
these as they come up in an ethical

01:05:56.160 --> 01:05:59.160
 in an ethical reasonable way.

01:05:59.920 --> 01:06:01.976
I do believe that this council needs the

01:06:02.000 --> 01:06:03.976
opportunity to be able to discuss this

01:06:04.000 --> 01:06:06.376
and to be able to thrash this important

01:06:06.400 --> 01:06:09.400
strategic policy out before we get to a

01:06:10.640 --> 01:06:12.535
point where once again it's tested in

01:06:12.559 --> 01:06:14.936
the land and environment court. I'm

01:06:14.960 --> 01:06:17.896
going to support um councelor Dremer's

01:06:17.920 --> 01:06:20.920
um   motion for deferral.

01:06:25.200 --> 01:06:28.200
Okay, no further speakers. Council Lis

01:06:28.319 --> 01:06:30.936
like to expl your right of

01:06:30.960 --> 01:06:33.960
reply. No. Okay. I'll just like to make

01:06:34.400 --> 01:06:36.535
the comment again that essentially we're

01:06:36.559 --> 01:06:39.176
dealing with a similar matter. The um I

01:06:39.200 --> 01:06:42.200
understood that the the proponent was um

01:06:43.280 --> 01:06:45.575
approached about a reasonzoning um and

01:06:45.599 --> 01:06:47.496
they're potentially

01:06:47.520 --> 01:06:49.256
 keen on that, but I won't verbal

01:06:49.280 --> 01:06:51.496
them. But essentially um there is the

01:06:51.520 --> 01:06:54.520
ability for the proponent to um

01:06:56.160 --> 01:06:59.160
to consider a withdrawal or sorry

01:06:59.200 --> 01:07:01.015
consider a reszoning of the land if this

01:07:01.039 --> 01:07:04.039
motion um is successful tonight to

01:07:04.559 --> 01:07:07.559
refuse the application. So I'd um

01:07:09.200 --> 01:07:10.856
I just note that that is an option

01:07:10.880 --> 01:07:13.880
moving forward. So just re reminding

01:07:14.880 --> 01:07:17.880
councilors that this is a recommendation

01:07:18.960 --> 01:07:21.736
of staff to not support the development

01:07:21.760 --> 01:07:23.656
application to refuse the development

01:07:23.680 --> 01:07:26.680
application. Um so I'll put the motion.

01:07:27.440 --> 01:07:29.976
All those in favor of the staff

01:07:30.000 --> 01:07:33.000
recommendation please raise your hands.

01:07:33.920 --> 01:07:35.815
Councelor Matters, Councelor Brown,

01:07:35.839 --> 01:07:37.976
Council Lordon, Council Larkins, Councelor

01:07:38.000 --> 01:07:40.856
McDonald. All those against. Council

01:07:40.880 --> 01:07:42.376
Warren, councelor Cains, councelor

01:07:42.400 --> 01:07:45.095
Draisma, councelor Tatray. The motion's

01:07:45.119 --> 01:07:47.815
carried.

01:07:47.839 --> 01:07:50.839
Okay. We're at item 15.6, which is the

01:07:50.960 --> 01:07:52.616
determination of development application

01:07:52.640 --> 01:07:55.640
number 10, 2025 141.1 to Minimara

01:07:56.559 --> 01:07:59.496
Street, Kya, alteration to tourist and

01:07:59.520 --> 01:08:01.896
visitor accommodation. You have the

01:08:01.920 --> 01:08:04.856
recommendation before you.

01:08:04.880 --> 01:08:07.656
Councelor Brown moving. Councelor

01:08:07.680 --> 01:08:10.376
Larkkins seconding. Councelor Brown like

01:08:10.400 --> 01:08:13.400
to speak to the motion. Councelor Larkins.

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Any comments?

01:08:17.040 --> 01:08:18.936
No. I'll put the motion. All those in

01:08:18.960 --> 01:08:21.815
favor raise your hands.

01:08:21.839 --> 01:08:24.616
Councelor Matters, Council Warren,

01:08:24.640 --> 01:08:26.456
Councelor Cains, Councelor Draisma,

01:08:26.480 --> 01:08:28.135
Councelor Tatray, Councelor Brown,

01:08:28.159 --> 01:08:30.295
Council Lorton, Councel Larkins, Council

01:08:30.319 --> 01:08:32.215
McDonald. There have been none against.

01:08:32.239 --> 01:08:34.695
The motion is carried.

01:08:34.719 --> 01:08:36.936
We're now at item 15.7 which is

01:08:36.960 --> 01:08:39.016
destination event funding round two

01:08:39.040 --> 01:08:40.936
early application assessment. You have

01:08:40.960 --> 01:08:42.936
the recommendation before you. Councelor

01:08:42.960 --> 01:08:45.655
Brown moving. Councelor Draisma seconding.

01:08:45.679 --> 01:08:46.856
Councelor Brown like to speak to the

01:08:46.880 --> 01:08:49.880
motion. Councelor Draisma.

01:08:50.080 --> 01:08:51.655
Any

01:08:51.679 --> 01:08:53.735
comments? No. I'll put the motion. All

01:08:53.759 --> 01:08:56.759
those in favor raise your hands.

01:08:57.359 --> 01:08:59.496
This isn't a planning matter. All those

01:08:59.520 --> 01:09:02.520
against. The motion's carried.

01:09:02.719 --> 01:09:05.416
We're at 15.8 fire and rescue joint

01:09:05.440 --> 01:09:07.815
inspection report for stage 5 blue

01:09:07.839 --> 01:09:09.416
haven. You have the recommendation for

01:09:09.440 --> 01:09:11.896
you. Councelor Dremouth moving. Council

01:09:11.920 --> 01:09:14.135
Larkins seconding. Councelor Dzel.

01:09:14.159 --> 01:09:16.295
Councelor Larkins. Any comments? No. I'll

01:09:16.319 --> 01:09:17.976
put the motion. All those in favor raise

01:09:18.000 --> 01:09:20.295
your hands.

01:09:20.319 --> 01:09:23.319
All those against. The motion's carried.

01:09:23.920 --> 01:09:26.135
Okay, we're at 15.9 Grant Opportunity

01:09:26.159 --> 01:09:27.815
Multicultural New South Wales Stronger

01:09:27.839 --> 01:09:30.616
Together Major Festivals Fund. Do I have

01:09:30.640 --> 01:09:33.640
a mover? Councelor Brown seconder.

01:09:34.319 --> 01:09:36.376
Councelor Draisma.

01:09:36.400 --> 01:09:39.255
Councelor Brown. Councelor Draisma. No.

01:09:39.279 --> 01:09:42.279
All those in favor raise your hands. All

01:09:42.480 --> 01:09:45.096
those against. The motion's carried.

01:09:45.120 --> 01:09:47.416
We're at 15.10, which is submission

01:09:47.440 --> 01:09:50.440
reszoning proposal. Kado.

01:09:51.120 --> 01:09:54.120
Thanks, Councelor Draisma.

01:09:57.199 --> 01:09:58.936
So, you have the recommendation before

01:09:58.960 --> 01:10:01.960
you. Do we have a mover?

01:10:03.120 --> 01:10:05.336
Councelor Larkins. Second. Councelor

01:10:05.360 --> 01:10:07.736
Matters. Council Larkins like to speak to

01:10:07.760 --> 01:10:10.760
the motion.

01:10:11.679 --> 01:10:13.576
, sorry. Excuse me. I'd like to

01:10:13.600 --> 01:10:15.416
propose an amendment.

01:10:15.440 --> 01:10:17.655
, we'll just hear from the speakers

01:10:17.679 --> 01:10:18.856
first. Council Lord.

01:10:18.880 --> 01:10:20.616
Council Larkins.

01:10:20.640 --> 01:10:23.640
, yes. I look, I'm moving  this

01:10:23.760 --> 01:10:26.760
motion for the purposes of um procedural

01:10:27.040 --> 01:10:28.695
reasons. I understand that council

01:10:28.719 --> 01:10:31.016
Lorton does have an amendment that I'm

01:10:31.040 --> 01:10:34.040
happy to um look at when she proposes

01:10:34.159 --> 01:10:36.536
it, but um obviously it's important that

01:10:36.560 --> 01:10:39.175
council makes a submission to this

01:10:39.199 --> 01:10:42.199
proposed  reszoning um via the state

01:10:42.719 --> 01:10:44.536
government. Um obviously there's been a

01:10:44.560 --> 01:10:47.560
lot of community  engagement with 

01:10:48.080 --> 01:10:50.135
the state government's planning 

01:10:50.159 --> 01:10:52.536
system in relation to  this particular

01:10:52.560 --> 01:10:54.936
item. I know a lot of community feedback

01:10:54.960 --> 01:10:57.960
has has come about as a result um of

01:10:58.320 --> 01:11:00.536
this proposal. Um I'm sure that other

01:11:00.560 --> 01:11:02.616
councilors will be  debating and

01:11:02.640 --> 01:11:05.576
discussing aspects of this  moving

01:11:05.600 --> 01:11:07.256
forward, but  the main purpose for

01:11:07.280 --> 01:11:09.416
moving the motion is to get the ball

01:11:09.440 --> 01:11:12.296
rolling um on on this item.

01:11:12.320 --> 01:11:14.135
Thanks, Council Larkins. Council matters

01:11:14.159 --> 01:11:17.096
like to speak to it. No. Um Council

01:11:17.120 --> 01:11:17.655
Lorton,

01:11:17.679 --> 01:11:19.496
thank you through you, Mayor. I would

01:11:19.520 --> 01:11:22.056
like to propose a motion and hopefully

01:11:22.080 --> 01:11:25.080
it's up on the screen.

01:11:33.679 --> 01:11:36.679
Sorry.

01:11:39.760 --> 01:11:41.256
Um,

01:11:41.280 --> 01:11:44.280
so I'm reading out the whole thing.

01:11:44.560 --> 01:11:47.175
So

01:11:47.199 --> 01:11:49.896
maybe talking sub Yeah. So, so basically

01:11:49.920 --> 01:11:52.616
what I why this amendment is up here is

01:11:52.640 --> 01:11:55.576
is because obviously community feedback

01:11:55.600 --> 01:11:57.896
there's been a lot of issue around

01:11:57.920 --> 01:12:00.456
potential overdevelopment of the site.

01:12:00.480 --> 01:12:03.480
Um so there is the the um proposal or

01:12:04.320 --> 01:12:06.536
the idea that it can become a 6 to 8

01:12:06.560 --> 01:12:08.856
story development. Part of this

01:12:08.880 --> 01:12:11.880
amendment is to limit the um permissible

01:12:12.480 --> 01:12:14.056
height for the development to six

01:12:14.080 --> 01:12:16.135
stories only. And then I've also

01:12:16.159 --> 01:12:19.159
included in I think 1B and C to include

01:12:20.080 --> 01:12:22.376
a minimum of 10% affordable housing for

01:12:22.400 --> 01:12:24.376
the site in perpetuity which it didn't

01:12:24.400 --> 01:12:27.256
state before and also subject to

01:12:27.280 --> 01:12:30.056
legalities also asked for the provision

01:12:30.080 --> 01:12:32.215
of social housing requiring a minimum

01:12:32.239 --> 01:12:35.239
site of 10% on the site in perpetuity.

01:12:35.840 --> 01:12:38.840
So this has come about just because um

01:12:39.120 --> 01:12:41.736
yeah it's just there is a a huge

01:12:41.760 --> 01:12:43.416
potential there for overdevelopment of

01:12:43.440 --> 01:12:45.576
this site. We've had many community

01:12:45.600 --> 01:12:47.496
submissions saying, you know, that that

01:12:47.520 --> 01:12:50.056
this is not what they want. So, what I'm

01:12:50.080 --> 01:12:51.816
trying to do by this motion and by

01:12:51.840 --> 01:12:53.976
limiting the six stories is to have some

01:12:54.000 --> 01:12:56.456
say or some control over the development

01:12:56.480 --> 01:12:59.480
size, scale, and and bulk. If we wait,

01:13:01.280 --> 01:13:03.416
and please correct me through you, mayor

01:13:03.440 --> 01:13:06.376
to the CEO, if we wait and we allow the

01:13:06.400 --> 01:13:09.400
zoning to go ahead without any proposed

01:13:09.920 --> 01:13:12.920
um  proposal to limit, then once the

01:13:15.040 --> 01:13:17.256
zoning goes through, it's we're not

01:13:17.280 --> 01:13:19.256
going to be able to change it. So I want

01:13:19.280 --> 01:13:21.496
to be behind the eight a ball or in

01:13:21.520 --> 01:13:24.135
front of the aball whichever it is in

01:13:24.159 --> 01:13:25.976
terms of just saying this is what we

01:13:26.000 --> 01:13:27.976
want as a community not allowing the

01:13:28.000 --> 01:13:30.776
state government to dictate to us what's

01:13:30.800 --> 01:13:32.296
going to happen with the site

01:13:32.320 --> 01:13:35.320
understanding that DCP yes we can have a

01:13:35.520 --> 01:13:37.496
collective we can have a co-design we

01:13:37.520 --> 01:13:39.416
can do whatever we want but ultimately

01:13:39.440 --> 01:13:42.056
the leap is what rules and the DCP is

01:13:42.080 --> 01:13:44.376
just guidelines.

01:13:44.400 --> 01:13:46.215
Councelor

01:13:46.239 --> 01:13:49.016
Larkins, are you  accepting of that

01:13:49.040 --> 01:13:51.096
amendment?

01:13:51.120 --> 01:13:52.616
Councelor Tetro, just

01:13:52.640 --> 01:13:54.856
Oh, sorry. Make some changes to that.

01:13:54.880 --> 01:13:55.655
Yeah, this

01:13:55.679 --> 01:13:56.776
Yeah. So,

01:13:56.800 --> 01:13:59.576
yeah, my my comments. Um, so cuz

01:13:59.600 --> 01:14:02.376
obviously councelor Lorton's amendment

01:14:02.400 --> 01:14:05.400
is to add 0.1. So 2, three, and four are

01:14:06.560 --> 01:14:08.776
same from the staff recommendation. ,

01:14:08.800 --> 01:14:11.256
but it's that bit that she's um

01:14:11.280 --> 01:14:13.976
recommending or amending. Um I

01:14:14.000 --> 01:14:16.215
understand that there might be problems

01:14:16.239 --> 01:14:19.239
with  point C um as that is not part

01:14:22.480 --> 01:14:24.616
of the reasonzoning or can't be

01:14:24.640 --> 01:14:26.135
considered as part of the reasoning

01:14:26.159 --> 01:14:28.616
proposal. Um I'd also like comment just

01:14:28.640 --> 01:14:30.776
whether staff have provided this

01:14:30.800 --> 01:14:33.416
feedback through to council Lorton cuz I

01:14:33.440 --> 01:14:35.576
was not aware of this particular

01:14:35.600 --> 01:14:38.600
feedback  until the last 30 minutes

01:14:38.640 --> 01:14:41.640
before the council meeting. See you.

01:14:42.159 --> 01:14:45.159
Thank you. , thank you councelor Larkins

01:14:45.360 --> 01:14:48.135
for the question. Um, look, I was aware

01:14:48.159 --> 01:14:49.576
that the director was having some

01:14:49.600 --> 01:14:52.215
conversations with councelor Lorton

01:14:52.239 --> 01:14:54.616
today. I wasn't actually included on any

01:14:54.640 --> 01:14:57.096
of those. The first point I saw it,

01:14:57.120 --> 01:14:59.256
which I just will remind councilors that

01:14:59.280 --> 01:15:00.695
you need to include me on that

01:15:00.719 --> 01:15:03.096
correspondence. You adopted that policy.

01:15:03.120 --> 01:15:06.120
Um, so when I did see

01:15:06.159 --> 01:15:07.655
Sorry, sorry. Point of order.

01:15:07.679 --> 01:15:08.296
Just finish.

01:15:08.320 --> 01:15:11.256
Sorry. If I could just say I I had

01:15:11.280 --> 01:15:14.280
circulated an email last night to um the

01:15:14.880 --> 01:15:17.336
CEO and all counselors referencing a

01:15:17.360 --> 01:15:19.655
whole lot of questions about this um

01:15:19.679 --> 01:15:22.679
particular item. So it does it was put

01:15:22.880 --> 01:15:25.096
out there and admittedly I understand I

01:15:25.120 --> 01:15:27.655
haven't circulated it in 24 hours but I

01:15:27.679 --> 01:15:30.456
didn't receive any response until

01:15:30.480 --> 01:15:33.416
2:00 this afternoon. Um so therefore

01:15:33.440 --> 01:15:36.296
that's the late um notice but I did

01:15:36.320 --> 01:15:38.536
actually do a comprehensive email last

01:15:38.560 --> 01:15:40.695
evening questioning a lot of the issues

01:15:40.719 --> 01:15:42.456
around the reszoning.

01:15:42.480 --> 01:15:45.480
So can I just confirm CA that you

01:15:45.520 --> 01:15:47.736
received that email?

01:15:47.760 --> 01:15:49.655
I definitely got councelor Lorton's

01:15:49.679 --> 01:15:52.296
email with a broad brush issues. What

01:15:52.320 --> 01:15:54.296
I'm speaking to is the proposed

01:15:54.320 --> 01:15:56.536
amendment which councilors do need to

01:15:56.560 --> 01:15:59.560
send to me and include sorry

01:16:00.239 --> 01:16:02.456
point of order. I'll allow the CA to

01:16:02.480 --> 01:16:03.655
continue. Thanks, Council Lord.

01:16:03.679 --> 01:16:06.679
Thank you. So,  I I just want to say a

01:16:08.159 --> 01:16:09.736
couple of things in relation to the

01:16:09.760 --> 01:16:12.760
wording that we've got at um Councelor

01:16:12.960 --> 01:16:15.576
Larkins is right. C is an entirely new

01:16:15.600 --> 01:16:18.600
proposition that hasn't been part of the

01:16:19.040 --> 01:16:20.695
planning proposal that went to the

01:16:20.719 --> 01:16:22.296
community. So, you're introducing a

01:16:22.320 --> 01:16:25.320
whole new topic. Um, I'd just remind

01:16:25.360 --> 01:16:27.336
councilors that the department of

01:16:27.360 --> 01:16:29.976
planning and housing is actually the

01:16:30.000 --> 01:16:32.215
proponent of the reszoning. So, this is

01:16:32.239 --> 01:16:34.616
a submission to them and it wasn't part

01:16:34.640 --> 01:16:37.640
of their actual planning proposal that

01:16:37.760 --> 01:16:40.135
went to the community. So, C is entirely

01:16:40.159 --> 01:16:43.159
new and different and problematic from

01:16:43.199 --> 01:16:46.199
that regard. If I go back to item B, um,

01:16:47.040 --> 01:16:50.040
item A, my mistake that says request,

01:16:50.960 --> 01:16:52.936
just want to make a couple of points. So

01:16:52.960 --> 01:16:54.936
the wording in specifically that I have

01:16:54.960 --> 01:16:57.960
included is which I fully acknowledge

01:16:58.080 --> 01:17:00.215
only came out I think a grand total of 7

01:17:00.239 --> 01:17:02.296
minutes before we walked in the door

01:17:02.320 --> 01:17:04.856
says set aside so request that the

01:17:04.880 --> 01:17:07.096
minister for planning and public spaces

01:17:07.120 --> 01:17:10.120
the honorable Paul Scully set aside the

01:17:10.560 --> 01:17:12.695
state government's regulation pertaining

01:17:12.719 --> 01:17:15.719
to low to mid-rise policy which applies

01:17:15.840 --> 01:17:18.056
to this site and instead give

01:17:18.080 --> 01:17:20.296
consideration to lowering the proposed

01:17:20.320 --> 01:17:22.936
heights at the site substantially.

01:17:22.960 --> 01:17:25.096
given that the community sentiment

01:17:25.120 --> 01:17:28.120
believes eight stories is too high. So,

01:17:28.159 --> 01:17:30.456
I've included those words to stay true

01:17:30.480 --> 01:17:33.256
to your intention and how you would like

01:17:33.280 --> 01:17:35.175
to intend to capture the community

01:17:35.199 --> 01:17:38.199
sentiment without specifying a

01:17:38.400 --> 01:17:40.135
particular height because you are

01:17:40.159 --> 01:17:41.896
expressing to the state government the

01:17:41.920 --> 01:17:43.976
community sentiment.

01:17:44.000 --> 01:17:46.296
But importantly, you are acknowledging

01:17:46.320 --> 01:17:48.616
the existing planning instruments and

01:17:48.640 --> 01:17:50.456
regulation that govern the use of that

01:17:50.480 --> 01:17:52.376
site right now.

01:17:52.400 --> 01:17:55.400
and wood in any future application. That

01:17:55.520 --> 01:17:58.056
site is subject to low and mid-rise

01:17:58.080 --> 01:18:00.616
planning policy, which means that it can

01:18:00.640 --> 01:18:02.695
have densities that range from three

01:18:02.719 --> 01:18:05.719
stories to six stories. It falls within

01:18:05.760 --> 01:18:08.760
800 meters of a defined town center that

01:18:08.800 --> 01:18:10.936
the state government endorsed in March

01:18:10.960 --> 01:18:13.960
of 2025. So I have added words to

01:18:14.480 --> 01:18:16.376
strengthen and acknowledge the existing

01:18:16.400 --> 01:18:18.456
planning legislation that governs the

01:18:18.480 --> 01:18:21.480
use of the site whilst recognizing your

01:18:21.679 --> 01:18:24.296
concerns around the community sentiment

01:18:24.320 --> 01:18:27.320
and reaction to that lawful height

01:18:28.320 --> 01:18:31.320
limit.

01:18:32.560 --> 01:18:33.896
Council Lawkins.

01:18:33.920 --> 01:18:36.920
 look um I'm not accepting the

01:18:36.960 --> 01:18:39.256
amendment. Um I think there was quite a

01:18:39.280 --> 01:18:42.280
few different issues that have come

01:18:42.400 --> 01:18:45.400
about. I do understand the intent um of

01:18:46.080 --> 01:18:47.256
some things and particularly the

01:18:47.280 --> 01:18:49.175
community concerns that have driven that

01:18:49.199 --> 01:18:51.896
particular amendment but um I think the

01:18:51.920 --> 01:18:53.416
administrative concerns particularly

01:18:53.440 --> 01:18:55.816
around circulating an amendment 7

01:18:55.840 --> 01:18:58.456
minutes before a council meeting is also

01:18:58.480 --> 01:19:00.776
an issue. So I'm just not accepting it.

01:19:00.800 --> 01:19:03.336
I'll let if if council Lorton gets a

01:19:03.360 --> 01:19:05.496
second, we can go through a further

01:19:05.520 --> 01:19:07.336
debate on the amendment. Thanks, Council

01:19:07.360 --> 01:19:10.360
Larkins. Councelor Lorden.

01:19:11.600 --> 01:19:14.056
Um, yeah, a bit a little bit

01:19:14.080 --> 01:19:16.296
disappointed with that  response from

01:19:16.320 --> 01:19:18.616
Councelor Larkins given that some of his

01:19:18.640 --> 01:19:20.616
previous motions have also been

01:19:20.640 --> 01:19:23.640
submitted 1 minute to five. Um, I would

01:19:24.560 --> 01:19:27.560
like to um move the amendment be um

01:19:29.520 --> 01:19:32.520
changed to that recommended by the CEO.

01:19:35.760 --> 01:19:36.536
Okay.

01:19:36.560 --> 01:19:38.695
Sorry, Mr. Mayor. I just couldn't hear.

01:19:38.719 --> 01:19:40.376
Did councelor Brown just call a point of

01:19:40.400 --> 01:19:40.856
order?

01:19:40.880 --> 01:19:42.296
No.

01:19:42.320 --> 01:19:45.320
Oh, say again. Sorry, Council Brown.

01:19:46.239 --> 01:19:48.296
Are you second?

01:19:48.320 --> 01:19:51.320
No. No. So, I think just No. So, Council

01:19:51.520 --> 01:19:53.416
Lorton's still

01:19:53.440 --> 01:19:54.856
putting forward what the actual

01:19:54.880 --> 01:19:56.936
amendment is. Now that the amendment is

01:19:56.960 --> 01:19:59.960
there, I'll defer to Council Larkins to see

01:20:00.000 --> 01:20:01.896
if he's accepting of that.

01:20:01.920 --> 01:20:02.856
No, I'm so sorry.

01:20:02.880 --> 01:20:04.536
Sorry. Point of order, Mr. Mayor. Um,

01:20:04.560 --> 01:20:06.536
council Lord put councelor Lorton put

01:20:06.560 --> 01:20:08.856
forward an amendment. Councelor Larkins

01:20:08.880 --> 01:20:11.576
did not accept it. Then councelor Lorden

01:20:11.600 --> 01:20:13.496
started speaking to an amendment without

01:20:13.520 --> 01:20:15.576
a seconder. And that's my point of

01:20:15.600 --> 01:20:16.456
order.

01:20:16.480 --> 01:20:19.256
I I thought she was proposing

01:20:19.280 --> 01:20:20.856
an amendment.

01:20:20.880 --> 01:20:21.336
Yeah.

01:20:21.360 --> 01:20:23.256
After the first amendment was not

01:20:23.280 --> 01:20:24.056
accepted.

01:20:24.080 --> 01:20:24.616
Yes.

01:20:24.640 --> 01:20:25.736
Is that correct?

01:20:25.760 --> 01:20:27.016
The amendment wasn't accepted.

01:20:27.040 --> 01:20:28.536
No, no, no. Then there was a second.

01:20:28.560 --> 01:20:31.560
She's proposing another amendment. a an

01:20:31.679 --> 01:20:32.456
amendment.

01:20:32.480 --> 01:20:34.616
Yes. Sorry. So So given that councelor

01:20:34.640 --> 01:20:36.856
Larkins didn't accept my first amendment,

01:20:36.880 --> 01:20:39.880
then I'm asking for another amendment to

01:20:40.159 --> 01:20:43.159
the motion that we um accept the motion

01:20:45.600 --> 01:20:48.600
put forth by the CEO on my behalf for

01:20:49.280 --> 01:20:52.280
this matter.

01:20:55.440 --> 01:20:57.576
Sorry. So I would like to put forward

01:20:57.600 --> 01:21:00.135
the revised amendment that is up on the

01:21:00.159 --> 01:21:02.856
screen.

01:21:02.880 --> 01:21:04.776
So in response to your point of order,

01:21:04.800 --> 01:21:06.296
that's was my understanding that

01:21:06.320 --> 01:21:08.616
essentially council Lorden was going to

01:21:08.640 --> 01:21:11.640
put forward that amendment. The first

01:21:12.080 --> 01:21:14.215
amendment being refused. The second

01:21:14.239 --> 01:21:17.239
amendment now is for Council Larkins to

01:21:17.280 --> 01:21:18.456
accept or

01:21:18.480 --> 01:21:19.096
well

01:21:19.120 --> 01:21:19.655
deny.

01:21:19.679 --> 01:21:22.135
I'm also refusing this second amendment.

01:21:22.159 --> 01:21:23.976
Thanks Council Larkins. So, Council Lorton,

01:21:24.000 --> 01:21:26.215
now you'll need a seconder for your

01:21:26.239 --> 01:21:27.816
amendment.

01:21:27.840 --> 01:21:30.135
Council Tatray. Council Lorton, would

01:21:30.159 --> 01:21:31.736
you like to speak to your amendment?

01:21:31.760 --> 01:21:34.760
Yes. Thank you. Three you may. Um, look,

01:21:34.880 --> 01:21:37.880
the intention of this is not to um um

01:21:39.600 --> 01:21:42.600
limit um some sort of residential

01:21:42.880 --> 01:21:45.736
development. it is just just to actually

01:21:45.760 --> 01:21:48.760
put in whatever safeguards we can to the

01:21:49.360 --> 01:21:51.576
state government that we don't want this

01:21:51.600 --> 01:21:54.135
to be another Akuna Street. So we've

01:21:54.159 --> 01:21:56.296
we've had a meal minute on the fact that

01:21:56.320 --> 01:21:59.175
we're very opposed to the 14 stories. So

01:21:59.199 --> 01:22:02.199
I'd like to sort of ask councilors to

01:22:02.320 --> 01:22:05.256
consider the fact that if we don't put

01:22:05.280 --> 01:22:08.056
in what what we can to ensure the

01:22:08.080 --> 01:22:10.536
overdevelopment does not happen then it

01:22:10.560 --> 01:22:12.615
will at some point be taken out of our

01:22:12.639 --> 01:22:15.639
hands. So I just where the purpose is is

01:22:16.320 --> 01:22:19.320
just to where we can minimize or or or

01:22:19.440 --> 01:22:21.336
put a limit on what we can do on the

01:22:21.360 --> 01:22:24.360
site without it being a a financial

01:22:25.760 --> 01:22:28.760
disaster or or not being able to um have

01:22:29.440 --> 01:22:31.896
viability on the site. But just to take

01:22:31.920 --> 01:22:33.736
on board the fact that none of us want

01:22:33.760 --> 01:22:36.760
the 14story or you know in community

01:22:36.880 --> 01:22:38.776
wants the 14 story. So let's just

01:22:38.800 --> 01:22:41.256
consider that in our forward planning

01:22:41.280 --> 01:22:43.976
and our strategic planning where we want

01:22:44.000 --> 01:22:45.816
these developments to be and to what

01:22:45.840 --> 01:22:48.376
extent we want the the height, the bulk

01:22:48.400 --> 01:22:51.400
and the and the floor space ratio to be.

01:22:51.760 --> 01:22:53.336
Thanks Council Lord and Council Tatray

01:22:53.360 --> 01:22:56.360
like to speak to the amendment.

01:22:58.560 --> 01:23:01.560
Thanks Mayor. Um look I totally agree. I

01:23:02.239 --> 01:23:05.096
think that we need to put um wording in

01:23:05.120 --> 01:23:08.120
place so that we don't get lost in the

01:23:08.480 --> 01:23:11.175
development stage so that we don't turn

01:23:11.199 --> 01:23:14.199
up and go okay we've got 10 stories

01:23:14.400 --> 01:23:17.400
eight stories I believe the um law says

01:23:17.440 --> 01:23:20.440
six to eight is that right

01:23:20.560 --> 01:23:22.776
for what we're applying for

01:23:22.800 --> 01:23:23.816
sorry

01:23:23.840 --> 01:23:26.056
director

01:23:26.080 --> 01:23:28.776
 through you b the low and mid ry

01:23:28.800 --> 01:23:30.056
reforms that the state government

01:23:30.080 --> 01:23:32.056
introduces the CEO correctly said in

01:23:32.080 --> 01:23:35.080
March this year have two areas of

01:23:36.239 --> 01:23:39.239
influence. Um this site is within 400 m

01:23:39.920 --> 01:23:42.920
of the mapped Cayama Town Center and so

01:23:43.920 --> 01:23:46.215
it would allow if the site is reszoned

01:23:46.239 --> 01:23:48.615
to R3 six stories on the site

01:23:48.639 --> 01:23:50.296
automatically.

01:23:50.320 --> 01:23:52.856
So the bare minimum would be six stories

01:23:52.880 --> 01:23:54.376
under the new reforms. That is the

01:23:54.400 --> 01:23:57.400
benchmark from here to Newcastle.

01:23:59.440 --> 01:24:02.440
Council Tetro. Thank you mayor. So

01:24:03.600 --> 01:24:06.296
six is the bare minimum. Does that mean

01:24:06.320 --> 01:24:09.320
then the buildings can go higher?

01:24:10.639 --> 01:24:13.639
So through you may I suppose the

01:24:14.480 --> 01:24:16.056
question that you're asking is well the

01:24:16.080 --> 01:24:17.496
proposal before you from the state

01:24:17.520 --> 01:24:19.256
government is to reszone the site to

01:24:19.280 --> 01:24:21.655
residential to increase the permissible

01:24:21.679 --> 01:24:23.736
heights on the site from three stories

01:24:23.760 --> 01:24:25.175
which is what it's under with the

01:24:25.199 --> 01:24:27.576
industrial zoning to six and in some

01:24:27.600 --> 01:24:29.576
areas eight stories. So it's not eight

01:24:29.600 --> 01:24:31.016
across the whole site. It's only in

01:24:31.040 --> 01:24:33.896
certain components.

01:24:33.920 --> 01:24:35.896
As we have been discussing with previous

01:24:35.920 --> 01:24:38.920
DAS, people can lodge 4.6 applications

01:24:39.360 --> 01:24:41.655
to those. As was alluded to by councelor

01:24:41.679 --> 01:24:44.296
Lorton, the HDA process is available to

01:24:44.320 --> 01:24:46.456
people. There are other provisions in

01:24:46.480 --> 01:24:48.856
the state's policies around 30%

01:24:48.880 --> 01:24:50.536
increases if you're providing additional

01:24:50.560 --> 01:24:53.560
affordable um housing on the site. So

01:24:54.080 --> 01:24:56.135
the planning system is flexible and does

01:24:56.159 --> 01:24:58.296
allow various opportunities for people

01:24:58.320 --> 01:25:00.376
to exceed the height limits through the

01:25:00.400 --> 01:25:03.400
leap. Um there is no way to to use your

01:25:03.600 --> 01:25:06.600
phrase council Lorton safeguard forever

01:25:07.120 --> 01:25:09.896
the heights.

01:25:09.920 --> 01:25:11.496
Thanks Councelor Tetray.

01:25:11.520 --> 01:25:14.520
Thank you mayor. Um

01:25:14.880 --> 01:25:16.776
so yeah I have to agree with councelor

01:25:16.800 --> 01:25:19.800
Lorton. Eight levels is far too high. It

01:25:20.320 --> 01:25:22.936
will significantly affect the community.

01:25:22.960 --> 01:25:24.456
all of those properties at the side of

01:25:24.480 --> 01:25:26.376
there will lose their view and most of

01:25:26.400 --> 01:25:29.096
their their sun during winter. So, we

01:25:29.120 --> 01:25:32.056
need to really think before we agree to

01:25:32.080 --> 01:25:35.080
any of these um amendments and any of

01:25:35.920 --> 01:25:38.215
these rulings. It's it's really really

01:25:38.239 --> 01:25:41.239
important to our community.

01:25:41.280 --> 01:25:44.135
Thanks, Council Chhatra.

01:25:44.159 --> 01:25:44.856
Um

01:25:44.880 --> 01:25:46.376
Council Kes,

01:25:46.400 --> 01:25:49.175
thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um

01:25:49.199 --> 01:25:51.416
I'm interested in your your amendment,

01:25:51.440 --> 01:25:54.440
Council Lorton. I I'd like I'd like to

01:25:55.360 --> 01:25:57.256
see the phrasing tightened up a little

01:25:57.280 --> 01:25:59.175
bit where it says consideration to

01:25:59.199 --> 01:26:01.175
lowering the proposed heights at the

01:26:01.199 --> 01:26:03.896
site substantially given that the

01:26:03.920 --> 01:26:05.416
community sentiment believes eight

01:26:05.440 --> 01:26:08.296
stories is too high. Um can't we tighten

01:26:08.320 --> 01:26:10.936
that tighten up what your intention is

01:26:10.960 --> 01:26:13.960
to say no more than six or what? Be

01:26:14.480 --> 01:26:16.456
really precise about what you mean there

01:26:16.480 --> 01:26:19.416
rather than just ask them to consider

01:26:19.440 --> 01:26:22.440
that eight is too high.

01:26:23.280 --> 01:26:25.655
Um, thank you, Councelor Kayes. Yes, I

01:26:25.679 --> 01:26:28.215
would like to state six stories as that

01:26:28.239 --> 01:26:31.239
was in my previous um  amendment.

01:26:32.159 --> 01:26:34.456
, I just

01:26:34.480 --> 01:26:35.576
it's a point of order.

01:26:35.600 --> 01:26:36.056
Yeah.

01:26:36.080 --> 01:26:39.080
So, for councelor Kes can propose an

01:26:40.800 --> 01:26:42.695
amendment to the amendment. Councelor

01:26:42.719 --> 01:26:45.256
Lorton cannot amend her own amendment.

01:26:45.280 --> 01:26:45.896
That's great.

01:26:45.920 --> 01:26:48.215
Um, and

01:26:48.239 --> 01:26:50.296
yes, that's a it's a point of order. It

01:26:50.320 --> 01:26:51.816
is a point of order. I agree with you.

01:26:51.840 --> 01:26:53.016
Councelor Larkins,

01:26:53.040 --> 01:26:53.256
um,

01:26:53.280 --> 01:26:55.576
Council Gaines,

01:26:55.600 --> 01:26:58.456
I asked Councelor Lorton to support an

01:26:58.480 --> 01:27:01.336
an amendment, which is to tighten up her

01:27:01.360 --> 01:27:04.135
phrasing. If we can go back,

01:27:04.159 --> 01:27:06.936
would um

01:27:06.960 --> 01:27:09.096
um

01:27:09.120 --> 01:27:12.120
consider from cons from consideration

01:27:14.880 --> 01:27:17.336
to lower the heights to no more than six

01:27:17.360 --> 01:27:20.215
stories.

01:27:20.239 --> 01:27:23.239
So that the phrasing gives

01:27:24.960 --> 01:27:27.175
um

01:27:27.199 --> 01:27:29.256
so that the so that the right so so that

01:27:29.280 --> 01:27:32.215
the phrasing exactly reflects council

01:27:32.239 --> 01:27:35.239
Lord's intention

01:27:44.560 --> 01:27:46.215
council Lorton are you agreeable to that

01:27:46.239 --> 01:27:46.695
amendment

01:27:46.719 --> 01:27:49.016
yes I'm happy to accept that Okay, that

01:27:49.040 --> 01:27:50.376
becomes the amendment.

01:27:50.400 --> 01:27:53.400
Okay. Um just a question in rel so I am

01:27:54.159 --> 01:27:55.655
pleased

01:27:55.679 --> 01:27:57.816
um with

01:27:57.840 --> 01:28:00.456
that subtle or slight amendment um

01:28:00.480 --> 01:28:02.615
particularly with the initial amendment

01:28:02.639 --> 01:28:04.536
that council Lorton proposed where she

01:28:04.560 --> 01:28:07.560
did talk about um the maximum

01:28:07.600 --> 01:28:09.736
permissible height for Shaw Haven Street

01:28:09.760 --> 01:28:12.215
precinct that she would prefer it as

01:28:12.239 --> 01:28:15.239
maximum six stories. I tend to agree

01:28:15.760 --> 01:28:18.760
with that amendment. Um but my concern

01:28:19.679 --> 01:28:22.679
about how this has now changed is that

01:28:22.719 --> 01:28:25.016
it says set aside the state government's

01:28:25.040 --> 01:28:26.615
regulation

01:28:26.639 --> 01:28:29.639
pertaining to low and mid-rise policy.

01:28:30.400 --> 01:28:33.400
Could council staff comment whether that

01:28:33.679 --> 01:28:36.135
is still feasible now that it says six

01:28:36.159 --> 01:28:37.896
stories rather than the eight cuz there

01:28:37.920 --> 01:28:40.856
was the difference between the two.

01:28:40.880 --> 01:28:41.896
So

01:28:41.920 --> 01:28:43.655
um through you may Yeah, that's a really

01:28:43.679 --> 01:28:46.679
valid point. So

01:28:46.719 --> 01:28:49.096
the state government's policy, the low

01:28:49.120 --> 01:28:51.256
mid-rise reforms is six stories. So you

01:28:51.280 --> 01:28:52.776
wouldn't be setting aside it that you

01:28:52.800 --> 01:28:55.800
would adopt or accept the state

01:28:55.840 --> 01:28:57.256
governments. Accept is probably not the

01:28:57.280 --> 01:28:59.736
right word because it's it is there. But

01:28:59.760 --> 01:29:02.760
um request that the minister

01:29:06.639 --> 01:29:06.936
can

01:29:06.960 --> 01:29:07.576
help you Ed.

01:29:07.600 --> 01:29:08.695
Yeah, I was going to say half of the

01:29:08.719 --> 01:29:10.215
sentence can probably be deleted.

01:29:10.239 --> 01:29:13.175
Thank you. Yeah. So what you got to

01:29:13.199 --> 01:29:15.096
remember this is a submission on their

01:29:15.120 --> 01:29:17.256
own proposal, right? So their own

01:29:17.280 --> 01:29:20.056
proposal was that in some parts it would

01:29:20.080 --> 01:29:22.536
move to eight stories. So the kind of

01:29:22.560 --> 01:29:24.856
wording that you're going to adhere to

01:29:24.880 --> 01:29:27.096
or probably I'd suggest is request that

01:29:27.120 --> 01:29:29.256
the Minister for Planning and Public

01:29:29.280 --> 01:29:32.280
Spaces, the Honorable Paul Scully note

01:29:32.400 --> 01:29:34.456
the state government's regulation

01:29:34.480 --> 01:29:37.480
pertaining to low mid-rise

01:29:38.159 --> 01:29:40.056
um

01:29:40.080 --> 01:29:43.080
reforms adopted in March 2025 which

01:29:43.840 --> 01:29:46.840
apply to this site

01:29:47.440 --> 01:29:50.056
and maintain

01:29:50.080 --> 01:29:53.080
Yeah. heights of no more than six

01:29:53.280 --> 01:29:54.936
stories

01:29:54.960 --> 01:29:57.655
because that complies with the policy. I

01:29:57.679 --> 01:29:59.816
do just want to in all fairness point

01:29:59.840 --> 01:30:01.896
out though that the low to mid-rise

01:30:01.920 --> 01:30:04.456
reforms apply. As the director said

01:30:04.480 --> 01:30:07.096
before, provisions around affordable

01:30:07.120 --> 01:30:09.336
housing

01:30:09.360 --> 01:30:11.416
are different to low to mid-rise

01:30:11.440 --> 01:30:13.576
reforms. So, so long as councilors are

01:30:13.600 --> 01:30:16.600
understanding that as well.

01:30:19.199 --> 01:30:20.936
Okay. I think that we've got the wording

01:30:20.960 --> 01:30:23.960
there now. Do we council Lorton?

01:30:25.040 --> 01:30:25.816
We do.

01:30:25.840 --> 01:30:28.840
Great. Thanks so much. Okay.

01:30:30.159 --> 01:30:31.655
Council matters.

01:30:31.679 --> 01:30:34.679
A question through you. Um, Mr. Mayor,

01:30:36.480 --> 01:30:39.480
if we just want to make it clear in the

01:30:39.520 --> 01:30:41.336
room, so and I don't understand all the

01:30:41.360 --> 01:30:42.856
planning laws either. There's people in

01:30:42.880 --> 01:30:45.816
here that do much better. If we limit to

01:30:45.840 --> 01:30:48.615
six stories with the zoning in that

01:30:48.639 --> 01:30:51.576
area, are people not because the

01:30:51.600 --> 01:30:53.576
permissible is six stories, people not

01:30:53.600 --> 01:30:55.256
going to eight stories to allow some

01:30:55.280 --> 01:30:56.936
affordable housing involved in that as

01:30:56.960 --> 01:30:59.960
well. So does that just um not allow us

01:31:00.480 --> 01:31:03.480
to allow affordable housing in there or

01:31:04.480 --> 01:31:06.296
that's I'd like that cleared up in this

01:31:06.320 --> 01:31:08.456
room now because that's why it does go

01:31:08.480 --> 01:31:11.480
to eight stories. SA

01:31:11.520 --> 01:31:13.496
 through your mayor. The proposal from

01:31:13.520 --> 01:31:15.576
the state government, as I said, seeks

01:31:15.600 --> 01:31:18.600
to reszone the site to R3 to increase

01:31:18.880 --> 01:31:21.416
the permissible height from three

01:31:21.440 --> 01:31:24.056
stories to six and eight. Um the floor

01:31:24.080 --> 01:31:26.695
space ratio to go along with that. It

01:31:26.719 --> 01:31:29.719
does also then say to prescribe that a

01:31:29.840 --> 01:31:32.376
minimum of 10% affordable housing is to

01:31:32.400 --> 01:31:34.376
be provided on the site. The question

01:31:34.400 --> 01:31:37.175
around is it then feasible for 10% to be

01:31:37.199 --> 01:31:39.096
provided at six stories I can't answer

01:31:39.120 --> 01:31:41.576
at this point in time as I flagged in a

01:31:41.600 --> 01:31:43.736
previous answer the state's planning

01:31:43.760 --> 01:31:46.296
policy um around housing there's a

01:31:46.320 --> 01:31:48.215
specific chapter that talks about so

01:31:48.239 --> 01:31:50.296
affordable housing and it does provide

01:31:50.320 --> 01:31:53.320
an additional 30% floor space ratio and

01:31:53.920 --> 01:31:56.215
height on what would in this case be six

01:31:56.239 --> 01:31:58.376
stories if you're providing affordable

01:31:58.400 --> 01:32:00.856
housing. So there could be an

01:32:00.880 --> 01:32:02.776
opportunity if six stories is set to

01:32:02.800 --> 01:32:04.695
your point that someone could reloge an

01:32:04.719 --> 01:32:06.936
application to use those bonuses to go

01:32:06.960 --> 01:32:09.960
higher again.

01:32:10.480 --> 01:32:13.480
Okay.

01:32:14.239 --> 01:32:17.239
So any further comments? There's no

01:32:17.520 --> 01:32:19.416
Okay. Well, I'm going to put the

01:32:19.440 --> 01:32:21.976
amendment

01:32:22.000 --> 01:32:23.816
which is council and the current wording

01:32:23.840 --> 01:32:26.840
you have in front of you. Um

01:32:27.280 --> 01:32:29.816
I'll just confirm

01:32:29.840 --> 01:32:32.456
this submission. So it's not a planning

01:32:32.480 --> 01:32:35.256
matter. So I'll put the motion  with

01:32:35.280 --> 01:32:37.096
regards to the  amendment before you.

01:32:37.120 --> 01:32:38.695
So all those in favor of the amendment,

01:32:38.719 --> 01:32:41.719
raise your hands.

01:32:42.960 --> 01:32:45.016
All those against

01:32:45.040 --> 01:32:47.976
the motion's carried.

01:32:48.000 --> 01:32:49.896
So now we go back to the original.

01:32:49.920 --> 01:32:52.296
So now it forms the  motion. So

01:32:52.320 --> 01:32:53.175
forms the motion.

01:32:53.199 --> 01:32:53.496
Yep.

01:32:53.520 --> 01:32:55.336
Yep. Um I will

01:32:55.360 --> 01:32:56.056
council Larkins

01:32:56.080 --> 01:32:57.576
obviously is the mover of the original

01:32:57.600 --> 01:33:00.600
motion with the amendment. Um I will 

01:33:01.040 --> 01:33:03.816
wave my  right of reply.

01:33:03.840 --> 01:33:06.296
Okay.

01:33:06.320 --> 01:33:08.215
So we'll put the motion. Oh, sorry.

01:33:08.239 --> 01:33:09.496
Council Warren.

01:33:09.520 --> 01:33:11.416
Thank you. Um I just wanted to say that

01:33:11.440 --> 01:33:14.215
it's really great to see councilors

01:33:14.239 --> 01:33:16.296
supporting and standing up for our

01:33:16.320 --> 01:33:19.320
community. I think that we really like

01:33:20.400 --> 01:33:21.816
my concern.

01:33:21.840 --> 01:33:24.840
Sorry.

01:33:25.760 --> 01:33:28.056
Um

01:33:28.080 --> 01:33:30.856
the sorry the right of reply has been

01:33:30.880 --> 01:33:32.376
waved though. Now we have to put the

01:33:32.400 --> 01:33:34.296
motion.

01:33:34.320 --> 01:33:37.320
Thanks. Yep. Okay. Um all those in favor

01:33:37.600 --> 01:33:39.416
raise your hands.

01:33:39.440 --> 01:33:42.215
All those against the motion's carried.

01:33:42.239 --> 01:33:44.536
We might get councelor Draisman back in

01:33:44.560 --> 01:33:47.560
now.

01:33:57.679 --> 01:34:00.679
Welcome back, Councelor Draisma.

01:34:01.120 --> 01:34:02.936
Okay,

01:34:02.960 --> 01:34:04.776
for all those watching on, we're at item

01:34:04.800 --> 01:34:06.695
16.1, which is endorse the public

01:34:06.719 --> 01:34:08.936
exhibition, the draft cattle grid

01:34:08.960 --> 01:34:10.536
approvals policy. You have the

01:34:10.560 --> 01:34:12.376
recommendation before you move by

01:34:12.400 --> 01:34:13.816
councelor Cain, seconded councelor

01:34:13.840 --> 01:34:16.840
Dremer. Any comments? Councelor Larkins.

01:34:17.440 --> 01:34:19.655
Yes. Um I'm just moving an amendment

01:34:19.679 --> 01:34:21.496
that was circulated by the public

01:34:21.520 --> 01:34:24.520
officer  in in relation to a

01:34:25.280 --> 01:34:27.655
supplementary agenda item to include

01:34:27.679 --> 01:34:30.679
point three and four.  that is 

01:34:31.440 --> 01:34:33.496
three note the attachment to this agenda

01:34:33.520 --> 01:34:35.896
item is not the complete version of the

01:34:35.920 --> 01:34:38.376
draft policy.  due to technical issues

01:34:38.400 --> 01:34:41.256
only pages one and four of the nine-page

01:34:41.280 --> 01:34:43.496
document were published. And four is

01:34:43.520 --> 01:34:45.976
replace the attachment to this matter to

01:34:46.000 --> 01:34:49.000
the attachment at item 8 18.3  update

01:34:50.560 --> 01:34:53.256
of item 16.1 endorse of public

01:34:53.280 --> 01:34:56.280
exhibition draft cattle grid approvals

01:34:56.320 --> 01:34:57.896
policy being the complete

01:34:57.920 --> 01:34:59.256
council k you accepting that

01:34:59.280 --> 01:34:59.976
I accept that.

01:35:00.000 --> 01:35:02.695
Okay that becomes the motion. Any

01:35:02.719 --> 01:35:05.576
further comments? No. Okay. I'll put the

01:35:05.600 --> 01:35:07.416
motion. All those in favor raise your

01:35:07.440 --> 01:35:10.215
hands. All those against the motions

01:35:10.239 --> 01:35:13.175
carried. We're at item 17 which is

01:35:13.199 --> 01:35:14.536
reports for information. The following

01:35:14.560 --> 01:35:16.296
reports for information are received and

01:35:16.320 --> 01:35:19.320
noted. So I'll read out those

01:35:21.199 --> 01:35:23.175
conference 17.1 conference report

01:35:23.199 --> 01:35:25.096
councilors McDonald Madison Larkins

01:35:25.120 --> 01:35:26.856
attendance at the local government New

01:35:26.880 --> 01:35:29.880
South Wales conference in November 2025.

01:35:30.400 --> 01:35:33.096
17.2 conference report councilors Brown

01:35:33.120 --> 01:35:34.776
and Tatray attendance at the Australian

01:35:34.800 --> 01:35:37.016
regional tourism annual conference 14 to

01:35:37.040 --> 01:35:39.336
17 October 2025.

01:35:39.360 --> 01:35:42.135
17.3 conference report council law and

01:35:42.159 --> 01:35:44.695
attendance at the world health world

01:35:44.719 --> 01:35:46.776
health organization healthy cities

01:35:46.800 --> 01:35:49.576
global platform meeting 2426 November

01:35:49.600 --> 01:35:52.600
2025 17 poor grants update 17.5 model

01:35:54.239 --> 01:35:56.056
code of conduct complaint statistics

01:35:56.080 --> 01:35:57.976
202425

01:35:58.000 --> 01:36:00.135
17.6 Six outstanding questions with

01:36:00.159 --> 01:36:03.159
notice register December 2025 17.7

01:36:03.679 --> 01:36:05.976
traffic management ka local transport

01:36:06.000 --> 01:36:09.000
forum meeting to December 2025 17.8

01:36:09.760 --> 01:36:12.056
update on draft employment land strategy

01:36:12.080 --> 01:36:15.080
and 17.9 update on Jambbury flood study

01:36:15.840 --> 01:36:17.816
report. Does anyone have any comments or

01:36:17.840 --> 01:36:20.615
queries or questions on those reports?

01:36:20.639 --> 01:36:23.096
If not, we'll move on.  councelor

01:36:23.120 --> 01:36:24.376
Warren.

01:36:24.400 --> 01:36:26.536
Thank you, Mayor. Um just a quick

01:36:26.560 --> 01:36:29.560
question on item 17.9.

01:36:30.480 --> 01:36:33.336
Um could the direct  could director

01:36:33.360 --> 01:36:35.576
Brady please provide an expected date on

01:36:35.600 --> 01:36:37.896
when the designs will be completed and

01:36:37.920 --> 01:36:40.920
an expected timeline if known um of the

01:36:41.520 --> 01:36:44.520
process once design is completed.

01:36:45.920 --> 01:36:47.576
Thank you Council Warren through you Mr.

01:36:47.600 --> 01:36:50.600
Mayor.  in terms of um item 17.9 the

01:36:50.719 --> 01:36:53.095
designs are well advanced at this stage.

01:36:53.119 --> 01:36:55.336
Um we have grant funding to complete

01:36:55.360 --> 01:36:57.336
those um designs and those designs must

01:36:57.360 --> 01:36:59.976
be finished by  mid June next year. So

01:37:00.000 --> 01:37:02.776
sorry middle of next year by June 30. So

01:37:02.800 --> 01:37:04.215
the designs will be finished by then.

01:37:04.239 --> 01:37:05.576
Once those designs completed it, it

01:37:05.600 --> 01:37:06.776
gives us the opportunity to start

01:37:06.800 --> 01:37:08.456
applying for grant funding. Um as

01:37:08.480 --> 01:37:11.256
outlined in the report, the items are

01:37:11.280 --> 01:37:13.576
are going to be quite ex um are quite

01:37:13.600 --> 01:37:15.416
substantial in terms of their cost. So

01:37:15.440 --> 01:37:16.936
council will need to seek grand funding

01:37:16.960 --> 01:37:18.296
for those. So that will happen after

01:37:18.320 --> 01:37:20.135
we've got those designs in place and

01:37:20.159 --> 01:37:21.416
then we'll move into a construction

01:37:21.440 --> 01:37:24.215
phase if we're successful in the grants.

01:37:24.239 --> 01:37:26.936
Thanks Councelor Rody. H sorry director

01:37:26.960 --> 01:37:29.095
Brady

01:37:29.119 --> 01:37:30.296
um council Lorden.

01:37:30.320 --> 01:37:31.736
Yes. Thank you through you mayor. I'd

01:37:31.760 --> 01:37:34.760
just like to address um 17.6

01:37:36.320 --> 01:37:39.320
as I've  one one of my u one of my

01:37:39.760 --> 01:37:41.655
requests is informs part of that notice

01:37:41.679 --> 01:37:43.336
of register. So I just like it to be

01:37:43.360 --> 01:37:45.655
noted if possible that that notice of

01:37:45.679 --> 01:37:48.215
register pertaining to my particular 

01:37:48.239 --> 01:37:50.776
question with notice is updated with

01:37:50.800 --> 01:37:53.496
where we are status-wise with that

01:37:53.520 --> 01:37:55.416
register and um that would be

01:37:55.440 --> 01:37:58.440
appreciated.

01:38:01.600 --> 01:38:03.416
Thank you Mr. Mayor. Yep. We're happy to

01:38:03.440 --> 01:38:06.440
do that.

01:38:06.800 --> 01:38:09.800
Okay. Anyone else?

01:38:10.800 --> 01:38:11.416
Council.

01:38:11.440 --> 01:38:13.416
Sorry. And I would also like to say on

01:38:13.440 --> 01:38:15.655
item 17.3

01:38:15.679 --> 01:38:17.576
um and I'm not going to speak for um

01:38:17.600 --> 01:38:19.976
those counselors that went to 17.1 or

01:38:20.000 --> 01:38:23.000
17.2, but I'm more than happy if any of

01:38:23.119 --> 01:38:25.016
the community wants to have a chat about

01:38:25.040 --> 01:38:27.416
what that was um regarding. I mean, it's

01:38:27.440 --> 01:38:29.095
in the papers, but happy to have a

01:38:29.119 --> 01:38:31.016
one-on-one conversation regarding that

01:38:31.040 --> 01:38:32.056
attendance.

01:38:32.080 --> 01:38:35.080
Thanks, Council Lord.

01:38:35.119 --> 01:38:37.896
Okay,

01:38:37.920 --> 01:38:40.456
no further questions. We'll move on. So

01:38:40.480 --> 01:38:42.615
18.1's been dealt with because of um

01:38:42.639 --> 01:38:45.576
councelor Larkin's amendment to 16.1. So

01:38:45.600 --> 01:38:48.456
we'll move on now to item 19 which is

01:38:48.480 --> 01:38:51.175
questions with notice. 19.1 question

01:38:51.199 --> 01:38:53.416
with notice. Councelor Warren Julian the

01:38:53.440 --> 01:38:56.440
crown turns 150 in 2026.

01:38:57.360 --> 01:38:59.736
The response has been provided in the

01:38:59.760 --> 01:39:02.760
February 2026 meeting and 19.2 question

01:39:03.440 --> 01:39:04.936
with notice council warren performance

01:39:04.960 --> 01:39:07.016
improvement order. again the response to

01:39:07.040 --> 01:39:10.040
be provided to the February 2026

01:39:10.560 --> 01:39:12.376
meeting.

01:39:12.400 --> 01:39:15.095
So now we're on at item 20.1 which is

01:39:15.119 --> 01:39:16.776
notice of motion. Council Warren flood

01:39:16.800 --> 01:39:19.336
mitigation jambaroo Owen Street and

01:39:19.360 --> 01:39:21.816
storm water drain behind 55 allow

01:39:21.840 --> 01:39:23.416
street.

01:39:23.440 --> 01:39:25.576
We have a mover. Council Warren. Do we

01:39:25.600 --> 01:39:28.600
have a seconder? Council Tatray. Council

01:39:29.040 --> 01:39:30.536
Warren.

01:39:30.560 --> 01:39:33.095
Yes. Thank you. I actually wanted to

01:39:33.119 --> 01:39:36.056
propose um an amended motion.

01:39:36.080 --> 01:39:38.456


01:39:38.480 --> 01:39:38.856
okay.

01:39:38.880 --> 01:39:40.776
I did

01:39:40.800 --> 01:39:43.576
I did I did circulate that earlier today

01:39:43.600 --> 01:39:46.600
on advice from the public officer.

01:39:47.280 --> 01:39:50.280
Right. Okay. The reasons being um

01:39:52.560 --> 01:39:55.560
that the majority of the answers have

01:39:56.560 --> 01:39:59.560
been answered in the August I mean in on

01:40:00.080 --> 01:40:03.080
the 19th of August 25 and also um in the

01:40:03.520 --> 01:40:06.520
confidential report. So I wanted to

01:40:06.719 --> 01:40:09.016
promote propose an amended motion that

01:40:09.040 --> 01:40:12.040
council include in either a quarterly

01:40:12.159 --> 01:40:13.976
budget review or a forward budget

01:40:14.000 --> 01:40:17.000
estimate for consideration in the 2627

01:40:17.360 --> 01:40:20.360
budget and to further investigate flood

01:40:20.400 --> 01:40:23.400
m flooding mitigation on Owen Street

01:40:24.639 --> 01:40:26.615
um so that we can in Jambury to provide

01:40:26.639 --> 01:40:29.336
short and long-term solutions. Just

01:40:29.360 --> 01:40:31.175
confirming council tatra you're

01:40:31.199 --> 01:40:34.056
supporting the amended the alter.

01:40:34.080 --> 01:40:36.856
Thank you. Sorry for the confusion.

01:40:36.880 --> 01:40:38.456
Okay. Like to speak to the motion at

01:40:38.480 --> 01:40:41.480
all. Cray. No. Anyone speaking?

01:40:42.400 --> 01:40:44.936
No. I'll put the motion. All those in

01:40:44.960 --> 01:40:47.416
favor raise your hands.

01:40:47.440 --> 01:40:50.440
All those against. The motion's carried.

01:40:51.119 --> 01:40:53.576
Okay. We're at item 20.2. Notice the

01:40:53.600 --> 01:40:55.496
motion. Council Lorton. Council managed

01:40:55.520 --> 01:40:58.520
Crownland Plant of Management 2022 7M

01:40:58.560 --> 01:41:01.560
Beach, Bombo Beach, and Wary Beach.

01:41:01.840 --> 01:41:03.976
Moved by Council Lorton, seconded by

01:41:04.000 --> 01:41:06.776
Councelor Matters. Council Lord.

01:41:06.800 --> 01:41:08.296
Thank you through you, Mayor. I would

01:41:08.320 --> 01:41:10.856
just like to um there has been some

01:41:10.880 --> 01:41:13.175
confusion around part of this  notice

01:41:13.199 --> 01:41:15.336
of motion. I just would like to

01:41:15.360 --> 01:41:18.360
reiterate that it is actually requesting

01:41:18.400 --> 01:41:20.856
that council write a letter to

01:41:20.880 --> 01:41:23.880
Crownlands. Um this is just based on the

01:41:24.000 --> 01:41:27.000
fact that there is a lot of um

01:41:27.360 --> 01:41:30.296
 not misinformation but  unclear

01:41:30.320 --> 01:41:33.016
information I guess regarding the park g

01:41:33.040 --> 01:41:35.655
the park category in particular in

01:41:35.679 --> 01:41:38.679
relation to 7 mile beach  Wary Beach

01:41:39.040 --> 01:41:42.040
and Bombbo Beach. Um so

01:41:43.280 --> 01:41:45.175
there have been several iterations of

01:41:45.199 --> 01:41:47.256
this come to council. However, given

01:41:47.280 --> 01:41:49.896
that there is still some  some

01:41:49.920 --> 01:41:52.456
confusion around this matter regarding

01:41:52.480 --> 01:41:55.480
what can be um carried out on parkland

01:41:55.840 --> 01:41:57.496
versus natural area, I know that there

01:41:57.520 --> 01:41:59.496
were some people that were concerned

01:41:59.520 --> 01:42:02.520
that um beach hall fishing or surf

01:42:03.360 --> 01:42:06.360
schools um andor events like surf

01:42:06.480 --> 01:42:08.776
carnivals would not be a able to be

01:42:08.800 --> 01:42:10.936
carried out in this categorization. That

01:42:10.960 --> 01:42:13.095
has actually been stated by Crownlands

01:42:13.119 --> 01:42:15.416
that that is incorrect. um that all of

01:42:15.440 --> 01:42:18.440
those elements can actually proceed

01:42:18.480 --> 01:42:21.416
under the natural area categorization.

01:42:21.440 --> 01:42:23.976
So part of this is about looking at park

01:42:24.000 --> 01:42:27.000
and what park represents and what the

01:42:27.679 --> 01:42:29.576
natural area represents. So it's clear

01:42:29.600 --> 01:42:31.816
on the mapping that you would have seen

01:42:31.840 --> 01:42:34.056
in the enclosures

01:42:34.080 --> 01:42:37.080
that the allocation of park to to within

01:42:38.159 --> 01:42:39.976
um natural areas and foreshore and

01:42:40.000 --> 01:42:42.776
things are just simply  you know

01:42:42.800 --> 01:42:45.576
incorrect in terms of why you would

01:42:45.600 --> 01:42:48.600
clarify something as park. So just to

01:42:49.360 --> 01:42:52.360
keep it short and brief, um what I'd

01:42:53.280 --> 01:42:55.256
like to do by the purpose of this motion

01:42:55.280 --> 01:42:58.280
is not as the CEO um did mention in her

01:42:59.119 --> 01:43:01.976
in her report that we are adjusting the

01:43:02.000 --> 01:43:03.816
plan of management or that we're going

01:43:03.840 --> 01:43:06.840
down that sort of that um route, but

01:43:07.360 --> 01:43:09.896
just to get clarification from

01:43:09.920 --> 01:43:12.920
Crownlands to determine then what we may

01:43:13.280 --> 01:43:14.936
need to do in the future should we

01:43:14.960 --> 01:43:17.336
decide to do that.

01:43:17.360 --> 01:43:19.416
Thanks, Council Lorton. Council Matters

01:43:19.440 --> 01:43:21.496
like to speak to the motion. No. Council

01:43:21.520 --> 01:43:22.856
Brown.

01:43:22.880 --> 01:43:24.856
, thank you, Mr. Mayor. As you can

01:43:24.880 --> 01:43:27.016
understand again, this is very

01:43:27.040 --> 01:43:28.615
frustrating that this issue has come

01:43:28.639 --> 01:43:30.936
back to council. Hundreds of thousands

01:43:30.960 --> 01:43:33.496
of dollars of rateayers money has gone

01:43:33.520 --> 01:43:36.520
into discussing these particular issues.

01:43:37.119 --> 01:43:40.119
And today again after we've gone back

01:43:41.040 --> 01:43:43.576
and forth not just to the local crown

01:43:43.600 --> 01:43:46.600
lands office but to the minister himself

01:43:46.719 --> 01:43:48.695
on a number of occasions we are now

01:43:48.719 --> 01:43:50.776
having to deal with this issue again.

01:43:50.800 --> 01:43:52.936
Mr. Mayor I'd like to ask a question to

01:43:52.960 --> 01:43:55.496
council Lorton. Council Lorton  has

01:43:55.520 --> 01:43:57.976
just informed this chamber that crown

01:43:58.000 --> 01:44:01.000
lands says certain activities that

01:44:02.239 --> 01:44:03.896
certain activities or commercial

01:44:03.920 --> 01:44:06.536
activities cannot occur  incorrect.

01:44:06.560 --> 01:44:09.560
And I'd ask councelor Lorton to  show

01:44:10.239 --> 01:44:13.239
um this chamber the  the time and

01:44:14.639 --> 01:44:17.175
place and who from crown lands said such

01:44:17.199 --> 01:44:19.816
a thing.

01:44:19.840 --> 01:44:22.135
Um sorry. Thank you mayor. Thank you

01:44:22.159 --> 01:44:24.135
councelor Brown. Can you just rephrase

01:44:24.159 --> 01:44:27.159
what you want me to clarify? Sorry.

01:44:29.280 --> 01:44:31.496
Sorry.  councelor I'm just using your

01:44:31.520 --> 01:44:34.296
exact words. I wrote them down. You said

01:44:34.320 --> 01:44:37.320
Crown Lands says certain activities

01:44:38.400 --> 01:44:40.856
cannot occur

01:44:40.880 --> 01:44:42.695
are incorrect. They were your words. And

01:44:42.719 --> 01:44:45.719
I want to know who from Crown Lands said

01:44:45.920 --> 01:44:48.296
what you just said and what activities

01:44:48.320 --> 01:44:51.016
are they talking about

01:44:51.040 --> 01:44:54.040
because that's that that's the thrust of

01:44:54.239 --> 01:44:56.936
your your argument. I just want to know

01:44:56.960 --> 01:44:59.960
why they are saying something like that.

01:45:00.639 --> 01:45:01.896
Who's saying it? And what are they

01:45:01.920 --> 01:45:04.296
talking about?

01:45:04.320 --> 01:45:07.320
Okay. So, just for clarification, you're

01:45:08.080 --> 01:45:11.080
I'm saying that by recategorization from

01:45:11.520 --> 01:45:14.456
park to natural area that any current

01:45:14.480 --> 01:45:17.480
activity can still proceed. So if

01:45:17.520 --> 01:45:19.256
counselors are concerned about

01:45:19.280 --> 01:45:21.655
recategorization

01:45:21.679 --> 01:45:24.679
for any of those current um  events or

01:45:25.840 --> 01:45:28.840
or um lease licenses are carried out

01:45:29.840 --> 01:45:32.296
that will not change if we decide to

01:45:32.320 --> 01:45:34.936
recategorize from park to natural area.

01:45:34.960 --> 01:45:37.416
Now, um, from Crown Lands, we've been

01:45:37.440 --> 01:45:40.376
talking to,

01:45:40.400 --> 01:45:43.256
, Penny Mlennon, who is a senior

01:45:43.280 --> 01:45:45.336
policy and project officer with Crown

01:45:45.360 --> 01:45:46.856
Lands Public.

01:45:46.880 --> 01:45:48.856
Sorry, Council Lorton. So,

01:45:48.880 --> 01:45:51.736
I'm so sorry. , when , when you're

01:45:51.760 --> 01:45:53.095
in the chamber, obviously, you don't

01:45:53.119 --> 01:45:56.119
have parliamentary privilege. So, um, if

01:45:56.560 --> 01:45:58.936
you're a public servant like I am and

01:45:58.960 --> 01:46:01.016
you're deemed an office bearer of Crown

01:46:01.040 --> 01:46:04.040
Lands, in this case, that would be, um,

01:46:04.480 --> 01:46:06.615
Greg Sullivan, the deputy secretary of

01:46:06.639 --> 01:46:08.856
Crown Lands is who we can pretty much

01:46:08.880 --> 01:46:11.416
limited refer to. Anybody else is a

01:46:11.440 --> 01:46:13.256
public servant and reports to that

01:46:13.280 --> 01:46:15.095
person.

01:46:15.119 --> 01:46:17.496
Thanks, Council

01:46:17.520 --> 01:46:18.056
Lord.

01:46:18.080 --> 01:46:19.976
Okay. So, what I would reiterate is that

01:46:20.000 --> 01:46:22.536
it hasn't come out of the the air. It

01:46:22.560 --> 01:46:24.456
has been in discussion with Crownlands

01:46:24.480 --> 01:46:27.336
to rectify this situation but more so to

01:46:27.360 --> 01:46:30.360
get guidance on how we we rectify the

01:46:31.040 --> 01:46:33.736
anomalies that present itself by having

01:46:33.760 --> 01:46:36.376
park um category in between you know

01:46:36.400 --> 01:46:38.456
natural bush land and June vegetation.

01:46:38.480 --> 01:46:40.615
So what what it really is about

01:46:40.639 --> 01:46:42.456
councelor Brown is looking after our

01:46:42.480 --> 01:46:45.416
environment not allowing so park in

01:46:45.440 --> 01:46:46.856
effect would allow for a built

01:46:46.880 --> 01:46:49.576
structure. So, it's just looking at the

01:46:49.600 --> 01:46:52.600
the logic, I guess, of why you would

01:46:53.600 --> 01:46:56.600
have the application of um  natural

01:46:57.520 --> 01:47:00.520
area be in place of the park category.

01:47:00.560 --> 01:47:02.856
It has nothing to do with limiting

01:47:02.880 --> 01:47:05.816
activities. And again, I'll state my

01:47:05.840 --> 01:47:08.135
notice of motion is about writing for

01:47:08.159 --> 01:47:11.159
clarification. the fact that we're here

01:47:11.280 --> 01:47:13.016
discussing this, you actually are

01:47:13.040 --> 01:47:16.040
enforcing for my notice of motion that

01:47:16.560 --> 01:47:19.560
there is um clarity that needs to be

01:47:19.679 --> 01:47:21.816
sought around this thing. I would

01:47:21.840 --> 01:47:23.496
question whether we spent hundreds of

01:47:23.520 --> 01:47:26.215
thousands of dollars though. Do you have

01:47:26.239 --> 01:47:29.239
any evidence?

01:47:30.159 --> 01:47:32.615
Um Mr. Mayor, could I ask a question

01:47:32.639 --> 01:47:35.416
through you to the CEO? Two questions.

01:47:35.440 --> 01:47:38.440
Number one, um has council been informed

01:47:39.520 --> 01:47:42.520
from Crown Lands that they have, 

01:47:44.000 --> 01:47:46.135
suggested that these categoriz

01:47:46.159 --> 01:47:49.159
categorizations are incorrect

01:47:49.760 --> 01:47:52.760
in any form or manner whatsoever. And

01:47:53.119 --> 01:47:56.119
number two, mayor, could I ask um the

01:47:56.639 --> 01:47:59.639
CEO to talk to talk about

01:47:59.679 --> 01:48:00.615
order? Yeah,

01:48:00.639 --> 01:48:03.175
council Lorden. I'm not actually my

01:48:03.199 --> 01:48:05.256
motion is not talking about whether

01:48:05.280 --> 01:48:06.856
something is incorrect. It's about

01:48:06.880 --> 01:48:08.695
whether there should be recate.

01:48:08.719 --> 01:48:09.976
That's not my question. I'm not talking

01:48:10.000 --> 01:48:12.376
about your motion this minute. Just

01:48:12.400 --> 01:48:15.175
asking what that is. And then secondly,

01:48:15.199 --> 01:48:17.976
I was asking the CEO if she could inform

01:48:18.000 --> 01:48:20.936
us just of a rough figure of staff time

01:48:20.960 --> 01:48:23.336
and cost and consultants that we have

01:48:23.360 --> 01:48:25.416
gone through to arrive at the position

01:48:25.440 --> 01:48:27.976
we are at today. And I would suggest it

01:48:28.000 --> 01:48:29.496
would be in the hundreds of thousands of

01:48:29.520 --> 01:48:31.095
dollars.

01:48:31.119 --> 01:48:33.336
Well, just  yeah, like clarify where

01:48:33.360 --> 01:48:35.736
those questions are

01:48:35.760 --> 01:48:37.655
within the scope of the notice of

01:48:37.679 --> 01:48:40.679
motion. So,

01:48:41.440 --> 01:48:44.056
councelor Brown, if you could just

01:48:44.080 --> 01:48:47.080
reiterate that first question.

01:48:49.040 --> 01:48:52.040
My my first question is that councelor

01:48:52.480 --> 01:48:54.856
Lorden is saying that Crown Lands has

01:48:54.880 --> 01:48:56.856
been communicating

01:48:56.880 --> 01:48:59.736
that these categorizations are not

01:48:59.760 --> 01:49:02.135
necessary

01:49:02.159 --> 01:49:05.159
and  and could be considered incorrect

01:49:07.920 --> 01:49:09.496
through the exhaustive process that we

01:49:09.520 --> 01:49:11.336
have gone through. And I want to know

01:49:11.360 --> 01:49:13.496
whether Crownlands has informed council

01:49:13.520 --> 01:49:15.736
at any official level whether that is

01:49:15.760 --> 01:49:18.760
the case.

01:49:23.199 --> 01:49:23.896
Thank you, Mr.

01:49:23.920 --> 01:49:26.135
I see where you're coming from. Yep. C.

01:49:26.159 --> 01:49:26.615
Yeah.

01:49:26.639 --> 01:49:27.416
Do you want me to?

01:49:27.440 --> 01:49:28.215
No, that's fine.

01:49:28.239 --> 01:49:28.776
I guess

01:49:28.800 --> 01:49:30.215
I'll accept the question. Thanks,

01:49:30.239 --> 01:49:31.095
Council CEO.

01:49:31.119 --> 01:49:33.095
I think I might answer the easy one.

01:49:33.119 --> 01:49:34.135
That's all right. And then I'll come

01:49:34.159 --> 01:49:36.296
back to the hard one. So, the easy one

01:49:36.320 --> 01:49:39.016
is the cost. The plan of management is

01:49:39.040 --> 01:49:41.576
an extensive body of work. It took over

01:49:41.600 --> 01:49:43.655
three and a half years, like literally

01:49:43.679 --> 01:49:46.615
to develop. It chewed up most of the

01:49:46.639 --> 01:49:49.416
then properties team's time and over the

01:49:49.440 --> 01:49:51.655
course of that three and a half years

01:49:51.679 --> 01:49:54.679
with consultants with mapping inclusive

01:49:54.960 --> 01:49:57.016
of director's time boots on ground like

01:49:57.040 --> 01:49:59.016
we literally went out and walked these

01:49:59.040 --> 01:50:01.416
sites with people who have maintained

01:50:01.440 --> 01:50:03.175
that this is an issue for a really long

01:50:03.199 --> 01:50:06.199
time. Um we will have spent hundreds and

01:50:06.239 --> 01:50:08.135
thousands of dollars on that body of

01:50:08.159 --> 01:50:10.135
work like quite literally. I don't have

01:50:10.159 --> 01:50:12.615
those figures on hand, but I can

01:50:12.639 --> 01:50:14.536
absolutely confirm that that was an

01:50:14.560 --> 01:50:16.215
enormous achievement for the

01:50:16.239 --> 01:50:18.456
organization to get it done. I'm very

01:50:18.480 --> 01:50:21.480
happy it was done.

01:50:21.520 --> 01:50:23.016
The second part of your question, which

01:50:23.040 --> 01:50:25.655
is a little bit harder, is um and it's

01:50:25.679 --> 01:50:28.679
not really that hard.  the process for

01:50:28.800 --> 01:50:30.456
developing the plan of management is

01:50:30.480 --> 01:50:32.776
such that you you write to the minister

01:50:32.800 --> 01:50:34.695
and Darren feel free to jump in if you

01:50:34.719 --> 01:50:37.416
need to. You categorize all land. All

01:50:37.440 --> 01:50:39.175
land must be categorized. to go through

01:50:39.199 --> 01:50:41.016
a consultation process. It goes through

01:50:41.040 --> 01:50:42.856
an exhibition process and a referral to

01:50:42.880 --> 01:50:45.416
the minister. When this came back, it

01:50:45.440 --> 01:50:47.336
was the advice of Crownlands. Now, that

01:50:47.360 --> 01:50:49.175
letter has been tabled a long, long time

01:50:49.199 --> 01:50:51.655
ago. Um, it was the advice of the

01:50:51.679 --> 01:50:53.016
Crownlands Minister that it be

01:50:53.040 --> 01:50:55.175
categorized as park. Now, the conjecture

01:50:55.199 --> 01:50:57.095
has long been, well, isn't some other

01:50:57.119 --> 01:50:59.976
suitable classification able to be

01:51:00.000 --> 01:51:02.215
applied? So we wrote back, we did that

01:51:02.239 --> 01:51:04.135
and the short answer is council can

01:51:04.159 --> 01:51:05.496
resolve

01:51:05.520 --> 01:51:07.576
its own categorization. But we do need

01:51:07.600 --> 01:51:09.016
to actually go back through the whole

01:51:09.040 --> 01:51:10.695
process again because the plan of

01:51:10.719 --> 01:51:13.576
management is a defined process dictated

01:51:13.600 --> 01:51:15.336
by regulation. So you've got to go

01:51:15.360 --> 01:51:16.936
through it again. There's just no

01:51:16.960 --> 01:51:19.256
getting around it.

01:51:19.280 --> 01:51:20.936
My

01:51:20.960 --> 01:51:23.095
response basically goes through all the

01:51:23.119 --> 01:51:24.215
times that we've written to the

01:51:24.239 --> 01:51:26.615
minister. I note that in your notice of

01:51:26.639 --> 01:51:28.296
motion, you've got a community member

01:51:28.320 --> 01:51:31.320
who's got some further advice. It it

01:51:32.719 --> 01:51:34.135
does still doesn't change the fact that

01:51:34.159 --> 01:51:35.816
it's been classified that way. It's been

01:51:35.840 --> 01:51:37.256
adopted that way and staff have

01:51:37.280 --> 01:51:39.016
implemented it that way. I read your

01:51:39.040 --> 01:51:40.536
notice of motion and you're asking me to

01:51:40.560 --> 01:51:42.536
write another letter and if council

01:51:42.560 --> 01:51:45.560
resolve that way, I'm happy to do it.

01:51:49.599 --> 01:51:50.856
Council Lorden.

01:51:50.880 --> 01:51:52.536
Yeah. Thank you. I I just want to

01:51:52.560 --> 01:51:54.615
reestablish that this is what the notice

01:51:54.639 --> 01:51:57.256
of motion is is to seek guidance from

01:51:57.280 --> 01:51:59.655
Crownlands. I'm not asking for anything

01:51:59.679 --> 01:52:01.816
to be changed. I'm not asking for any

01:52:01.840 --> 01:52:04.215
monies to be spent. I'm simply asking

01:52:04.239 --> 01:52:06.936
that council right to and if we need to

01:52:06.960 --> 01:52:08.936
amend the senior policy and project

01:52:08.960 --> 01:52:10.695
officer at Crownlands. I'm happy to do

01:52:10.719 --> 01:52:13.719
so on the advice of the CEO. But the

01:52:13.840 --> 01:52:15.896
reality is my notice of motion is

01:52:15.920 --> 01:52:18.215
specifically about writing seeking

01:52:18.239 --> 01:52:20.376
clarification. It is not about changing

01:52:20.400 --> 01:52:22.215
anything. It is not about funding

01:52:22.239 --> 01:52:24.615
changes to the plan of management. That

01:52:24.639 --> 01:52:26.776
will come later if need be. If the

01:52:26.800 --> 01:52:29.800
councilors decide that that is required

01:52:30.960 --> 01:52:32.856
of changes I actually need to make to

01:52:32.880 --> 01:52:33.496
resolution.

01:52:33.520 --> 01:52:34.856
All right. We'll just  hear from

01:52:34.880 --> 01:52:36.695
council council Brown.

01:52:36.719 --> 01:52:39.719
So Mr. May I'd like to now speak against

01:52:40.000 --> 01:52:41.736
the motion now that we've got quite a

01:52:41.760 --> 01:52:44.215
few facts on the table. This is not

01:52:44.239 --> 01:52:46.695
simply a motion about writing to a

01:52:46.719 --> 01:52:49.336
senior policy officer or anyone else at

01:52:49.360 --> 01:52:51.496
Crown Lands. The motion is very

01:52:51.520 --> 01:52:54.056
specific. It's basically saying, "Hey,

01:52:54.080 --> 01:52:56.615
Crown Lands, you've got it wrong. Look

01:52:56.639 --> 01:52:59.256
at one in the motion. We're writing to

01:52:59.280 --> 01:53:01.896
Crown Lands and request confirmation

01:53:01.920 --> 01:53:04.920
that the path category was applied  to

01:53:05.440 --> 01:53:08.296
the re of the beach 7 mile beach A is

01:53:08.320 --> 01:53:10.776
not necessary even though Crown Land

01:53:10.800 --> 01:53:13.800
suggested it was initially and on and on

01:53:15.040 --> 01:53:18.040
and on the notice of motion goes.

01:53:19.599 --> 01:53:21.095
I don't know how many times you've got

01:53:21.119 --> 01:53:24.119
to gild this lily, skin this cat, or ask

01:53:24.560 --> 01:53:27.560
questions, but we now have a plan of

01:53:27.599 --> 01:53:29.976
management which we have spent hundreds

01:53:30.000 --> 01:53:32.615
of thousands of dollars, hours of debate

01:53:32.639 --> 01:53:35.336
in this chamber. We've asked so many

01:53:35.360 --> 01:53:37.416
questions. I think we need to respect

01:53:37.440 --> 01:53:39.976
Crown Lands and our staff and the

01:53:40.000 --> 01:53:42.056
process that we've gone through. And

01:53:42.080 --> 01:53:44.296
just because some people don't like the

01:53:44.320 --> 01:53:47.256
categorization there, just because they

01:53:47.280 --> 01:53:49.016
don't like it doesn't mean one or two

01:53:49.040 --> 01:53:50.856
people can write to a counselor and

01:53:50.880 --> 01:53:52.215
we've got to go through a whole notice

01:53:52.239 --> 01:53:55.239
of motion again over something we have

01:53:55.360 --> 01:53:58.360
done every single year for the last five

01:53:58.560 --> 01:54:01.560
to six years. We have a workable policy.

01:54:02.320 --> 01:54:05.016
Now, Mr. Mayor, if our policy was not

01:54:05.040 --> 01:54:07.816
working, if bad things were happening

01:54:07.840 --> 01:54:10.615
and and what was there needed to be

01:54:10.639 --> 01:54:13.256
changed, I'd be the first one to support

01:54:13.280 --> 01:54:15.256
we need to change something here. But

01:54:15.280 --> 01:54:16.376
there's nothing there that's not

01:54:16.400 --> 01:54:19.400
working. There's no problem out there.

01:54:19.840 --> 01:54:22.376
So why are we wasting a whole bunch of

01:54:22.400 --> 01:54:25.400
staff time even more writing to Crown

01:54:25.599 --> 01:54:28.296
Lands go up to the minister's office and

01:54:28.320 --> 01:54:30.135
and they keep looking at climate council

01:54:30.159 --> 01:54:31.816
is how many times do we have to tell

01:54:31.840 --> 01:54:34.840
this community the same thing. So I I

01:54:35.199 --> 01:54:37.016
think this is an embarrassing motion and

01:54:37.040 --> 01:54:40.040
we should not be supporting it.

01:54:42.159 --> 01:54:45.159
Sorry council I just  wait if you'd

01:54:45.520 --> 01:54:47.655
like to your right of reply if someone

01:54:47.679 --> 01:54:49.496
else would like to to speak. Council

01:54:49.520 --> 01:54:49.896
matters.

01:54:49.920 --> 01:54:52.296
Thank you. Um

01:54:52.320 --> 01:54:54.695
it's just a simple question.

01:54:54.719 --> 01:54:56.856
Why are the community members not happy

01:54:56.880 --> 01:54:59.256
with the current clarification? Like I

01:54:59.280 --> 01:55:01.336
don't quite understand what we're trying

01:55:01.360 --> 01:55:03.575
to do or why we're trying to change.

01:55:03.599 --> 01:55:05.655
Like I think we need to understand that.

01:55:05.679 --> 01:55:07.575
I think we haven't quite touched on it.

01:55:07.599 --> 01:55:09.736
Council Lorton.

01:55:09.760 --> 01:55:11.976
Yes. Thank you. It it's just simply a

01:55:12.000 --> 01:55:15.000
case of looking at the the the actual

01:55:15.840 --> 01:55:17.816
Sorry, I need to bend down with these

01:55:17.840 --> 01:55:19.336
glasses.

01:55:19.360 --> 01:55:22.360
Sorry, it's it's actually to confirm. So

01:55:22.560 --> 01:55:25.560
when you look at what is the um park

01:55:26.239 --> 01:55:29.239
category versus what is um the um 

01:55:30.719 --> 01:55:33.719
natural bushland. So park allows for

01:55:35.119 --> 01:55:38.119
commercial activities. Um it allows for

01:55:38.239 --> 01:55:40.536
a for potential built structures if

01:55:40.560 --> 01:55:43.016
required. So things like a a bench seat

01:55:43.040 --> 01:55:45.976
with chairs and that type of thing. So

01:55:46.000 --> 01:55:47.976
just just on based on where it is

01:55:48.000 --> 01:55:51.000
mapped, it is illogical to to categorize

01:55:51.840 --> 01:55:54.840
that as park. So what it is is about

01:55:55.840 --> 01:55:58.776
saying well you know we need we're we're

01:55:58.800 --> 01:56:00.615
protecting our foreshore area. This is

01:56:00.639 --> 01:56:03.175
about protection of foreshore areas. So

01:56:03.199 --> 01:56:05.816
it's actually removing that potential

01:56:05.840 --> 01:56:07.816
for something to be built in a space

01:56:07.840 --> 01:56:10.840
that really does not make sense. Um,

01:56:11.119 --> 01:56:13.416
again I would sort of say to councelor

01:56:13.440 --> 01:56:16.440
Brown where he is um Oh, sorry. I just

01:56:17.840 --> 01:56:20.296
need to check if that's going through.

01:56:20.320 --> 01:56:23.175
But so basically what this is is to try

01:56:23.199 --> 01:56:26.199
and resolve the the uncertainty around

01:56:26.239 --> 01:56:28.856
the origins of the park category um

01:56:28.880 --> 01:56:30.776
being applied to these particular

01:56:30.800 --> 01:56:33.800
locations. Um, so from what I

01:56:34.800 --> 01:56:37.800
understand, there's no um direction from

01:56:37.840 --> 01:56:40.456
from  that Crownlands directed council

01:56:40.480 --> 01:56:42.776
to use a park category and I'll defer to

01:56:42.800 --> 01:56:44.456
the CEO

01:56:44.480 --> 01:56:47.480
but um council dwell

01:56:48.960 --> 01:56:51.016
sorry sorry just can't

01:56:51.040 --> 01:56:52.376
thank you and just reminding council

01:56:52.400 --> 01:56:54.296
Lorton you're responding to councelor

01:56:54.320 --> 01:56:56.456
matters question about why

01:56:56.480 --> 01:56:58.135
so hopefully that has addressed your

01:56:58.159 --> 01:56:58.695
query

01:56:58.719 --> 01:57:01.095
thanks councel lord

01:57:01.119 --> 01:57:04.119
councelor Tetro.

01:57:04.480 --> 01:57:06.056
Thank you through you, Mayor. To

01:57:06.080 --> 01:57:09.080
councelor Lorton. What structures are

01:57:09.360 --> 01:57:12.360
you thinking could be built on park

01:57:12.560 --> 01:57:14.615
land? Are you saying like maybe chairs

01:57:14.639 --> 01:57:17.639
or seating for people to use the park?

01:57:17.840 --> 01:57:20.615
Okay. So, with that, given that we're

01:57:20.639 --> 01:57:22.215
looking at more condensed housing,

01:57:22.239 --> 01:57:24.296
people are going to need to get outside

01:57:24.320 --> 01:57:27.320
and enjoy the parks.

01:57:27.840 --> 01:57:29.896
If we change it, are you saying that

01:57:29.920 --> 01:57:32.376
people then can't go and be in these

01:57:32.400 --> 01:57:34.776
areas because they're deemed natural

01:57:34.800 --> 01:57:37.800
areas and not park spaces?

01:57:39.599 --> 01:57:41.416
Council Lorton.

01:57:41.440 --> 01:57:43.976
Um certainly not. What I'm what I'm

01:57:44.000 --> 01:57:47.000
trying to um check or clarify is the

01:57:48.480 --> 01:57:51.095
actual locations where park has actually

01:57:51.119 --> 01:57:54.119
been nominated. So, if you look on those

01:57:54.400 --> 01:57:55.816
maps, I don't know if you've had a

01:57:55.840 --> 01:57:58.840
chance to, they are they are in located

01:57:59.360 --> 01:58:01.816
in a space where it is not really

01:58:01.840 --> 01:58:04.135
logical that you would stick a park or

01:58:04.159 --> 01:58:05.896
some benches and things cuz in the

01:58:05.920 --> 01:58:08.920
middle of in between the sand the sand

01:58:08.960 --> 01:58:11.960
dunes and the protected um environment.

01:58:12.639 --> 01:58:15.575
understanding that park is better looked

01:58:15.599 --> 01:58:18.056
at in the the grass verges that would

01:58:18.080 --> 01:58:20.376
then um move forward towards the

01:58:20.400 --> 01:58:22.215
roadways and more of the residential

01:58:22.239 --> 01:58:24.536
developments. So at the moment it's it's

01:58:24.560 --> 01:58:27.560
sort of stuck in no man's land for it to

01:58:27.599 --> 01:58:30.215
be classes park just it doesn't make

01:58:30.239 --> 01:58:33.239
sense is really what I'm trying to say.

01:58:34.639 --> 01:58:37.639
Thanks Council Lord. Councelor Cains.

01:58:38.000 --> 01:58:40.776
Um thank you Mr. Mayor.

01:58:40.800 --> 01:58:43.575
Um I don't support this motion. I'm

01:58:43.599 --> 01:58:46.056
afraid to say the some of the things

01:58:46.080 --> 01:58:49.080
that concern me is that  it is not

01:58:49.679 --> 01:58:52.679
clear to me that the the effect of um of

01:58:54.080 --> 01:58:57.016
this motion should it be taken further

01:58:57.040 --> 01:59:00.040
by crown lands wouldn't be to restrict

01:59:01.280 --> 01:59:03.655
um council's ability to either improve

01:59:03.679 --> 01:59:06.215
the section or to approve commercial

01:59:06.239 --> 01:59:08.135
licenses should they be needed further

01:59:08.159 --> 01:59:10.056
down the track.

01:59:10.080 --> 01:59:13.080
I I'm cons I'm concerned that there is

01:59:13.280 --> 01:59:16.280
more risk in the reclassification that

01:59:17.040 --> 01:59:20.040
is  implied by the letter than there

01:59:20.239 --> 01:59:22.615
is benefit to

01:59:22.639 --> 01:59:25.016
council council Lorden and stand up

01:59:25.040 --> 01:59:25.655
please

01:59:25.679 --> 01:59:27.256
councelor Cains sit down please

01:59:27.280 --> 01:59:29.896
sorry councelor canes but I I I

01:59:29.920 --> 01:59:32.376
understand where your point is going but

01:59:32.400 --> 01:59:34.856
I need to come back to the the point of

01:59:34.880 --> 01:59:36.215
my

01:59:36.239 --> 01:59:38.215
point of referring to

01:59:38.239 --> 01:59:39.976
that what you're talking about is not

01:59:40.000 --> 01:59:41.655
what I'm actually asking for the notice

01:59:41.679 --> 01:59:44.615
of motion

01:59:44.639 --> 01:59:46.376
practice referring to.

01:59:46.400 --> 01:59:48.536
Oh, sorry. I think that what councelor

01:59:48.560 --> 01:59:50.536
 how council Lord is responding

01:59:50.560 --> 01:59:53.560
council can is that you're talking about

01:59:53.760 --> 01:59:55.976
 reclassification which isn't the

01:59:56.000 --> 01:59:59.000
subject of the the motion.

01:59:59.679 --> 02:00:02.679
So please continue if that's

02:00:04.800 --> 02:00:06.376
it

02:00:06.400 --> 02:00:08.536
classification is not necessary. It's to

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write a letter to

02:00:10.800 --> 02:00:12.856
Yeah. So,

02:00:12.880 --> 02:00:14.456
that's right. But it's not about

02:00:14.480 --> 02:00:16.056
reclassification.

02:00:16.080 --> 02:00:18.135
It's not a proposal to reclassify the

02:00:18.159 --> 02:00:20.615
land. It is a letter just seeking

02:00:20.639 --> 02:00:22.456
clarification on certain things with

02:00:22.480 --> 02:00:23.816
regards to the classification of the

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land. So, please continue. Councelor

02:00:26.000 --> 02:00:26.776
Cain.

02:00:26.800 --> 02:00:28.536
I I think we can all agree that the

02:00:28.560 --> 02:00:31.175
subject of the letter that is proposed

02:00:31.199 --> 02:00:34.135
is about categorization.

02:00:34.159 --> 02:00:36.776
Correct. But but um and and I'm not sure

02:00:36.800 --> 02:00:38.615
and I'll finish on this. I'm not sure

02:00:38.639 --> 02:00:40.776
that the pied oyster catcher is going to

02:00:40.800 --> 02:00:43.800
be affected by how the how that piece of

02:00:44.400 --> 02:00:46.776
land is categorized or not. I'm not con

02:00:46.800 --> 02:00:49.016
I'm not convinced about the the the

02:00:49.040 --> 02:00:51.575
method the the um the merits of the

02:00:51.599 --> 02:00:54.376
proposed letter. So

02:00:54.400 --> 02:00:56.296
I can see more risks than there are

02:00:56.320 --> 02:00:57.816
benefits. So I'm not going to support

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it.

02:00:58.719 --> 02:01:01.095
Thanks.

02:01:01.119 --> 02:01:02.936
Any

02:01:02.960 --> 02:01:04.856
other further speakers, queries,

02:01:04.880 --> 02:01:07.880
questions? No. Councelor Lord, if you'd

02:01:08.000 --> 02:01:10.536
like to exercise your right of reply.

02:01:10.560 --> 02:01:13.016
Thank you through you, Mayor. Again, I

02:01:13.040 --> 02:01:15.175
feel like I'm repeating myself over and

02:01:15.199 --> 02:01:17.175
over again. This notice of motion is for

02:01:17.199 --> 02:01:20.199
a letter for clarification. It is not to

02:01:20.800 --> 02:01:23.256
recategorize. It is not to determine

02:01:23.280 --> 02:01:24.936
whether something should be park or

02:01:24.960 --> 02:01:26.695
whatever. It is simply to ask some

02:01:26.719 --> 02:01:29.719
questions for clarity. And that is it.

02:01:31.679 --> 02:01:34.679
Great. Okay, I'll um put the the motion.

02:01:36.080 --> 02:01:39.080
So, all those in favor of the motion,

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raise your hands.

02:01:41.840 --> 02:01:44.840
All those against.

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The motion's defeated.

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Move on to cl  item 20.3. No

02:01:50.800 --> 02:01:52.615
submotion. Councelor Tatray, improving

02:01:52.639 --> 02:01:55.095
resident parking in local prime local

02:01:55.119 --> 02:01:57.016
government area.

02:01:57.040 --> 02:01:59.816
You had the motion before you.

02:01:59.840 --> 02:02:02.695
, can I have a mover? Councelor Tedra

02:02:02.719 --> 02:02:05.719
seconded. Councelor Cains.

02:02:07.599 --> 02:02:10.599
Councelor Tetro.

02:02:10.800 --> 02:02:12.695
Thank you, Mayor. Um, this is really

02:02:12.719 --> 02:02:15.719
just a motion to get the CEO to look

02:02:16.000 --> 02:02:19.000
into options for resident parking. how

02:02:19.280 --> 02:02:21.575
that I've given some examples but really

02:02:21.599 --> 02:02:23.736
how that would look would be something

02:02:23.760 --> 02:02:26.760
that council would be um more

02:02:27.520 --> 02:02:29.976
professional in in putting together. It

02:02:30.000 --> 02:02:33.000
was suggested today that um

02:02:33.360 --> 02:02:35.655
I actually say

02:02:35.679 --> 02:02:38.679
to the to the CEO to um contact Manley

02:02:40.159 --> 02:02:41.816
Council because they run quite a

02:02:41.840 --> 02:02:44.840
successful um parking permit and it goes

02:02:46.159 --> 02:02:49.016
out with people's rates. Um if that

02:02:49.040 --> 02:02:50.615
works for the community, it'd be great.

02:02:50.639 --> 02:02:51.896
And if it doesn't, I suppose we've got

02:02:51.920 --> 02:02:53.655
to look at other options. If we're

02:02:53.679 --> 02:02:56.536
looking at putting 450 properties with

02:02:56.560 --> 02:02:59.175
600 parking, I think we're going to have

02:02:59.199 --> 02:03:02.199
um quite a few parking issues in Cayama.

02:03:02.719 --> 02:03:04.376
Thank you.

02:03:04.400 --> 02:03:06.695
Thanks, Councelor Tre. Councelor

02:03:06.719 --> 02:03:09.719
Kes.

02:03:13.199 --> 02:03:16.199
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I I do  I have

02:03:18.080 --> 02:03:21.080
read the CEO's response. I understand

02:03:21.440 --> 02:03:24.376
that there are  resourcing pressures

02:03:24.400 --> 02:03:26.456
right across the administration.

02:03:26.480 --> 02:03:28.056
However, this is something that our

02:03:28.080 --> 02:03:29.655
community is particularly concerned

02:03:29.679 --> 02:03:32.679
about. I think it is appropriate for us

02:03:32.800 --> 02:03:35.800
to ask some more information about how

02:03:35.920 --> 02:03:38.920
the um how a resident parking sticker 

02:03:39.520 --> 02:03:42.215
how um how this might how this might

02:03:42.239 --> 02:03:44.936
work, how that we might be more

02:03:44.960 --> 02:03:47.416
sensitive to the needs and concerns of

02:03:47.440 --> 02:03:50.215
our community given that um given that

02:03:50.239 --> 02:03:53.239
we are 

02:03:53.520 --> 02:03:55.976
doing more enforcement action. It is

02:03:56.000 --> 02:03:57.575
something that is of particular concern

02:03:57.599 --> 02:03:59.256
to our community and it's completely

02:03:59.280 --> 02:04:00.776
reasonable for us to ask for more

02:04:00.800 --> 02:04:03.175
information in relation to it.

02:04:03.199 --> 02:04:05.655
Thanks, Councelor Cains. , Council

02:04:05.679 --> 02:04:07.256
Larkins.

02:04:07.280 --> 02:04:10.280
, yes, I'd like to um speak against

02:04:10.560 --> 02:04:13.416
the motion. I obviously do thank Council

02:04:13.440 --> 02:04:16.135
Tatray um for proposing it. I know it's

02:04:16.159 --> 02:04:18.296
coming from an intention of trying to

02:04:18.320 --> 02:04:21.256
solve an issue that is um you know

02:04:21.280 --> 02:04:23.175
obviously very much talked about in this

02:04:23.199 --> 02:04:24.936
community and particularly at this time

02:04:24.960 --> 02:04:27.095
of year. Um so I understand where the

02:04:27.119 --> 02:04:29.816
intention and advocacy is coming from in

02:04:29.840 --> 02:04:32.376
relation to it but I cannot support 

02:04:32.400 --> 02:04:34.856
this motion for a number of reasons. 

02:04:34.880 --> 02:04:37.496
the first one and I will not do a point

02:04:37.520 --> 02:04:39.016
of order. I think it's just for

02:04:39.040 --> 02:04:41.496
relevance is that I don't believe that

02:04:41.520 --> 02:04:43.976
the motion currently complies with the

02:04:44.000 --> 02:04:45.816
code of meaning practice when it hasn't

02:04:45.840 --> 02:04:47.896
identified the appropriate source of

02:04:47.920 --> 02:04:50.920
funding  for undertaking this work. Um

02:04:50.960 --> 02:04:53.960
obviously the CEO's response  outlines

02:04:54.080 --> 02:04:56.856
that a substantial amount of council

02:04:56.880 --> 02:04:59.736
funding and resources  is used for

02:04:59.760 --> 02:05:02.456
developing  a report into quite a

02:05:02.480 --> 02:05:05.016
substantial  amount of work for for

02:05:05.040 --> 02:05:07.175
council. So that is an issue. The other

02:05:07.199 --> 02:05:10.199
thing that I would identify is that the

02:05:10.639 --> 02:05:13.639
council staff have presented five

02:05:14.080 --> 02:05:16.056
historical reports that go back over

02:05:16.080 --> 02:05:19.080
four terms of council and all those ter

02:05:19.119 --> 02:05:22.119
including this one and it has been clear

02:05:22.480 --> 02:05:25.480
in those five reports um as well as a

02:05:26.080 --> 02:05:29.080
report that occurred um in 2020 or in

02:05:29.360 --> 02:05:32.360
207 um as well as um references in the

02:05:34.320 --> 02:05:37.320
John Rea report  that presented um to

02:05:37.920 --> 02:05:40.056
the Minister for Local Government in the

02:05:40.080 --> 02:05:42.856
context mostly around  paid parking.

02:05:42.880 --> 02:05:45.880
 but council does not have the ability

02:05:46.239 --> 02:05:49.239
or the resources to implement such a

02:05:49.280 --> 02:05:51.016
scheme and that has consistently come

02:05:51.040 --> 02:05:54.040
out through a number of reports over a

02:05:54.480 --> 02:05:57.480
st substantial amount of counselors. And

02:05:58.239 --> 02:06:01.239
all this motion will do is result in a

02:06:02.000 --> 02:06:04.776
substantially costly report to inform

02:06:04.800 --> 02:06:07.016
counselors of the same thing that has

02:06:07.040 --> 02:06:09.976
been mentioned  for for you know more

02:06:10.000 --> 02:06:13.000
than a decade.  my my comments I would

02:06:13.199 --> 02:06:16.199
also make particularly around parking is

02:06:16.400 --> 02:06:18.536
that it we need to be able to look at

02:06:18.560 --> 02:06:21.175
the the current situation with parking

02:06:21.199 --> 02:06:23.816
particularly where we have spaces that

02:06:23.840 --> 02:06:26.776
are currently at 2 hours or 3 hours or

02:06:26.800 --> 02:06:29.800
15 minutes um or half an hour in parts

02:06:30.239 --> 02:06:33.175
of our town center and in Jeringong and

02:06:33.199 --> 02:06:34.856
they have not been reviewed for some

02:06:34.880 --> 02:06:37.880
time. So we need to establish the the

02:06:38.239 --> 02:06:40.376
parking management plan or strategy

02:06:40.400 --> 02:06:43.256
around reviewing what is currently there

02:06:43.280 --> 02:06:45.736
and then look at um options for further

02:06:45.760 --> 02:06:48.135
improvement particularly around um

02:06:48.159 --> 02:06:50.776
advocating for  additional car parking

02:06:50.800 --> 02:06:53.175
spaces or new car parking spaces but we

02:06:53.199 --> 02:06:56.199
have not reviewed  the existing spaces

02:06:57.119 --> 02:06:59.655
um the historical approach of of this

02:06:59.679 --> 02:07:01.496
council and I'm not being disparaging

02:07:01.520 --> 02:07:04.520
but I believe that there has been a more

02:07:04.639 --> 02:07:07.639
of a reactionary approach to car parking

02:07:07.920 --> 02:07:09.816
requests and issues. And so that's why

02:07:09.840 --> 02:07:12.776
we have seen um you know particular car

02:07:12.800 --> 02:07:15.336
parking signage go out in one site and

02:07:15.360 --> 02:07:17.896
and you know why there's a very ad hoc

02:07:17.920 --> 02:07:20.055
 approach to these issues. So I'm not

02:07:20.079 --> 02:07:23.079
very um as I said I do support councelor

02:07:23.280 --> 02:07:25.816
Tatray in trying to advocate on this

02:07:25.840 --> 02:07:27.736
issue but I don't believe that this

02:07:27.760 --> 02:07:30.536
option is the process to to go down.

02:07:30.560 --> 02:07:33.560
Thanks councelor Larkins. Councelor Dresma.

02:07:33.760 --> 02:07:35.336
Um, thank you, Mr. Mayor. Look, very

02:07:35.360 --> 02:07:37.095
similarly, I appreciate the sentiment

02:07:37.119 --> 02:07:39.655
behind this motion. It's important to to

02:07:39.679 --> 02:07:41.175
note that it's not just about

02:07:41.199 --> 02:07:43.175
implementation, it's about permission.

02:07:43.199 --> 02:07:44.615
We don't have permission under the

02:07:44.639 --> 02:07:46.856
current guidelines to implement such a

02:07:46.880 --> 02:07:49.575
system and particularly around the

02:07:49.599 --> 02:07:52.376
constraints around parking in the CBD.

02:07:52.400 --> 02:07:54.456
These schemes are rarely implemented in

02:07:54.480 --> 02:07:56.936
a in a town center unless there's a high

02:07:56.960 --> 02:07:59.496
proportion of a mix between 

02:07:59.520 --> 02:08:02.520
commercial and residential usages. So

02:08:02.719 --> 02:08:05.416
majority of the concerns that that the

02:08:05.440 --> 02:08:07.736
community bring to us in council and and

02:08:07.760 --> 02:08:10.055
to the staff is about the lack of

02:08:10.079 --> 02:08:11.976
parking, the perceived lack of parking

02:08:12.000 --> 02:08:14.695
in the town center. Um, but it would be

02:08:14.719 --> 02:08:16.695
unlikely even if we were to receive

02:08:16.719 --> 02:08:18.936
permission from from Transport for New

02:08:18.960 --> 02:08:20.615
South Wales under the guidelines, which

02:08:20.639 --> 02:08:22.215
we've been advised in our current

02:08:22.239 --> 02:08:24.055
circumstances, we would not, and those

02:08:24.079 --> 02:08:25.575
guidelines have not substantially

02:08:25.599 --> 02:08:27.736
changed since we sought that advice,

02:08:27.760 --> 02:08:29.416
that it would be unlikely that that

02:08:29.440 --> 02:08:32.055
could be used to to deal with a system

02:08:32.079 --> 02:08:34.135
in place where there'd be larger

02:08:34.159 --> 02:08:35.976
allotments of time provided to residents

02:08:36.000 --> 02:08:37.976
who do have those permits in the town

02:08:38.000 --> 02:08:40.055
CBD. It it just doesn't it's not how

02:08:40.079 --> 02:08:41.496
it's implemented. It's not how the

02:08:41.520 --> 02:08:44.055
system currently works. Even for example

02:08:44.079 --> 02:08:47.079
like I I take a high a high um high

02:08:47.520 --> 02:08:49.976
traffic area like  New Town or other

02:08:50.000 --> 02:08:52.376
areas of the inner west. Those time

02:08:52.400 --> 02:08:54.615
residential parkings only occur outside

02:08:54.639 --> 02:08:56.615
of the immediate CBD area. It's not in

02:08:56.639 --> 02:08:59.016
the main street. So there needs to be

02:08:59.040 --> 02:09:00.536
consideration around the actual

02:09:00.560 --> 02:09:02.376
legitimate constraints of the guidelines

02:09:02.400 --> 02:09:04.215
that we have in New South Wales. The

02:09:04.239 --> 02:09:06.055
permission that we've sought previously

02:09:06.079 --> 02:09:09.079
has not not been provided.  and if we

02:09:09.119 --> 02:09:11.336
are going to look at this in a holistic

02:09:11.360 --> 02:09:13.816
sense, we need to actually work out what

02:09:13.840 --> 02:09:16.536
the community actually perceive to be h

02:09:16.560 --> 02:09:19.016
the parking issue because there is a

02:09:19.040 --> 02:09:21.336
varied  when you actually ask people

02:09:21.360 --> 02:09:23.016
about you know what what do you say when

02:09:23.040 --> 02:09:25.256
there's no parking some people say well

02:09:25.280 --> 02:09:27.256
I want to pull up the front of the place

02:09:27.280 --> 02:09:29.496
I'm going to within 10 m and be able to

02:09:29.520 --> 02:09:31.416
get out of my car and go there other

02:09:31.440 --> 02:09:33.896
people talk about I guess the constraint

02:09:33.920 --> 02:09:35.736
around timing of parking we actually

02:09:35.760 --> 02:09:38.296
need to understand that the I guess the

02:09:38.320 --> 02:09:39.896
considerations that the community have

02:09:39.920 --> 02:09:41.816
around parking and what solutions

02:09:41.840 --> 02:09:43.896
council can actually implement in the

02:09:43.920 --> 02:09:46.695
short term to address that.  a parking

02:09:46.719 --> 02:09:49.719
scheme is costly um and it's ineffective

02:09:49.760 --> 02:09:51.976
in dealing with those challenges that

02:09:52.000 --> 02:09:54.856
you have around  town centers. We have

02:09:54.880 --> 02:09:56.456
to understand that out that we have to

02:09:56.480 --> 02:09:58.615
get the balance right around the needs

02:09:58.639 --> 02:10:00.376
of the community and the needs around

02:10:00.400 --> 02:10:03.095
tourists, but ultimately we're not going

02:10:03.119 --> 02:10:05.496
to get that outcome through this. it's

02:10:05.520 --> 02:10:07.095
not going to be provided to us through

02:10:07.119 --> 02:10:09.175
this system. So, I mean, I think that

02:10:09.199 --> 02:10:11.256
that council staff have been working

02:10:11.280 --> 02:10:12.776
away in the background for some time at

02:10:12.800 --> 02:10:14.856
looking at alternative solutions. ,

02:10:14.880 --> 02:10:17.655
but I can't support this proposal in its

02:10:17.679 --> 02:10:19.256
current form because we've received

02:10:19.280 --> 02:10:21.416
advice recently and the advice is is

02:10:21.440 --> 02:10:22.936
that we would not be supported to

02:10:22.960 --> 02:10:25.575
implement a scheme in our LGA.

02:10:25.599 --> 02:10:27.816
Thanks, Councelor Draisma. Councelor

02:10:27.840 --> 02:10:28.695
Brown.

02:10:28.719 --> 02:10:30.456
Thank you, Mayor.  similar to

02:10:30.480 --> 02:10:33.480
councelor Larkins and Draisma um I know that

02:10:33.679 --> 02:10:35.416
this  motion is coming from a good

02:10:35.440 --> 02:10:38.440
place that there is  at least a

02:10:39.599 --> 02:10:41.896
perception that we have parking problems

02:10:41.920 --> 02:10:43.976
and sometimes there there are even

02:10:44.000 --> 02:10:47.000
parking problems but um as has been 

02:10:48.239 --> 02:10:50.936
articulated this motion is not going to

02:10:50.960 --> 02:10:53.736
fix it but I do think for all of our

02:10:53.760 --> 02:10:56.536
benefit u maybe  mayor or through the

02:10:56.560 --> 02:10:59.175
CEO we could  look at having a a

02:10:59.199 --> 02:11:02.199
briefing on parking in in the new year.

02:11:02.239 --> 02:11:03.736
I think this is something we actually do

02:11:03.760 --> 02:11:05.416
need to get our head around and

02:11:05.440 --> 02:11:07.416
strategize as to where we are going,

02:11:07.440 --> 02:11:08.936
especially when we're going to lose all

02:11:08.960 --> 02:11:11.655
those car parking spaces  from the

02:11:11.679 --> 02:11:14.679
Akuna Street development. Um how we're

02:11:14.800 --> 02:11:17.175
going to manage that. I would like to be

02:11:17.199 --> 02:11:19.175
 clear in that and look at some

02:11:19.199 --> 02:11:22.199
options as to as to how we can go. But I

02:11:22.480 --> 02:11:25.480
do know that this this um this issue is

02:11:26.400 --> 02:11:28.695
is very complicated.

02:11:28.719 --> 02:11:31.175
and it's not going to get sold simply by

02:11:31.199 --> 02:11:34.199
giving residents  parking permits. So,

02:11:34.639 --> 02:11:36.776
um maybe a little bit more chat next

02:11:36.800 --> 02:11:39.256
year. Um and I think that would probably

02:11:39.280 --> 02:11:42.280
also satisfy  councilor Tatray um in

02:11:43.119 --> 02:11:45.175
in understanding what solutions that we

02:11:45.199 --> 02:11:48.199
can  implement as a council to try and

02:11:48.400 --> 02:11:50.536
alleviate some of those days where there

02:11:50.560 --> 02:11:53.175
are there are parking issues are that

02:11:53.199 --> 02:11:55.816
are confronting  our residents and our

02:11:55.840 --> 02:11:57.816
visitors.

02:11:57.840 --> 02:12:00.215
Yes, Council Warren.

02:12:00.239 --> 02:12:02.376
Thank you, Mayor. Um, I want to thank

02:12:02.400 --> 02:12:04.615
Councelor Tatray for getting the ball

02:12:04.639 --> 02:12:06.936
rolling on this conversation because the

02:12:06.960 --> 02:12:09.496
community does um feel very strongly

02:12:09.520 --> 02:12:11.175
about it and I think we do need to

02:12:11.199 --> 02:12:13.095
address it. I I agree with councelor

02:12:13.119 --> 02:12:15.336
Brown that a briefing would be wonderful

02:12:15.360 --> 02:12:17.736
next year. And  just a question

02:12:17.760 --> 02:12:19.736
through you, Mayor, the CEO, do we have

02:12:19.760 --> 02:12:22.760
a parking strategy or or anything like

02:12:22.880 --> 02:12:25.880
that in place? So,

02:12:27.840 --> 02:12:30.840
director.

02:12:31.280 --> 02:12:32.936
Um, thank you. Through you, Mr. May.

02:12:32.960 --> 02:12:34.055
Director.

02:12:34.079 --> 02:12:35.736
Yep. Through you, Mr. May. , the

02:12:35.760 --> 02:12:37.016
answer is no. We don't have a strategy

02:12:37.040 --> 02:12:38.536
in place at the moment. There was a CBD

02:12:38.560 --> 02:12:40.296
parking study done many years ago, but

02:12:40.320 --> 02:12:42.776
that has now been um it's outdated and

02:12:42.800 --> 02:12:44.376
the recommendations out of that report

02:12:44.400 --> 02:12:47.336
are no longer valid. So, we need to um

02:12:47.360 --> 02:12:49.575
we need to develop a new strategy.

02:12:49.599 --> 02:12:52.376
Okay. Thanks, Council Lord.

02:12:52.400 --> 02:12:54.215
Thank you. Um through you, Mayor, to the

02:12:54.239 --> 02:12:57.239
CEO. Can I just ask how much  funding

02:12:57.599 --> 02:13:00.055
or how much dollar value has been

02:13:00.079 --> 02:13:02.055
attributed to the parking studies done

02:13:02.079 --> 02:13:04.376
today?

02:13:04.400 --> 02:13:07.400
S.

02:13:07.840 --> 02:13:09.416
Oh, through you, Mr. Mayor. Honestly,

02:13:09.440 --> 02:13:11.575
I'd have to take that on notice. In the

02:13:11.599 --> 02:13:13.336
time that I've been here, there's been a

02:13:13.360 --> 02:13:16.055
lot of research and work. I'd need to

02:13:16.079 --> 02:13:18.376
come back to you with the dollar figure.

02:13:18.400 --> 02:13:19.336
I don't.

02:13:19.360 --> 02:13:21.095
So, potentially, it could be hundreds of

02:13:21.119 --> 02:13:24.119
thousands. Potentially.

02:13:24.159 --> 02:13:27.159
Thanks, Council Lorton.

02:13:28.800 --> 02:13:30.695
Okay, I'd just like to echo those

02:13:30.719 --> 02:13:32.055
sentiments. Councilor Tatray, thank you

02:13:32.079 --> 02:13:33.416
for bringing this to the four. I think

02:13:33.440 --> 02:13:36.440
it's well overdue. Um, we hear from

02:13:36.800 --> 02:13:38.376
residents all the time their concern

02:13:38.400 --> 02:13:40.135
with regard to parking and certainly

02:13:40.159 --> 02:13:41.736
with some of the development around town

02:13:41.760 --> 02:13:44.456
that's occurring um will occur 

02:13:44.480 --> 02:13:46.776
potentially in the future. um a parking

02:13:46.800 --> 02:13:49.800
strategy and policy um is um something

02:13:50.000 --> 02:13:52.695
that I think will need to be addressed

02:13:52.719 --> 02:13:55.336
 in our DPOP for for next year

02:13:55.360 --> 02:13:58.360
hopefully and certainly um we can seek

02:13:58.880 --> 02:14:01.175
some community engagement um on a cost

02:14:01.199 --> 02:14:03.575
effective way of implementing whatever

02:14:03.599 --> 02:14:06.599
um that particular strategy or policy um

02:14:07.040 --> 02:14:10.040
fleshes out. So um would you like to

02:14:11.679 --> 02:14:13.016
exercise your right or apply council

02:14:13.040 --> 02:14:15.816
tat? No. Okay, I'll put the motion. All

02:14:15.840 --> 02:14:18.840
those in favor, raise your hands.

02:14:19.360 --> 02:14:22.135
All those against.

02:14:22.159 --> 02:14:25.159
The motions defeated. Um, item 20.4 note

02:14:26.639 --> 02:14:29.639
of motion. Council Larkins NSW PLA switch

02:14:30.960 --> 02:14:33.496
2025 conference and advocacy for public

02:14:33.520 --> 02:14:35.095
libraries. You have the motion before

02:14:35.119 --> 02:14:37.416
you. Councelor Larkins is moving that. Do

02:14:37.440 --> 02:14:40.376
I have a seconder? Councelor Matters.

02:14:40.400 --> 02:14:41.256
Council Larkins.

02:14:41.280 --> 02:14:42.695
Yeah, I'll keep it brief. I think it's

02:14:42.719 --> 02:14:45.095
pretty um explanatory. It's in response

02:14:45.119 --> 02:14:48.119
primarily to my attendance at the Switch

02:14:49.119 --> 02:14:51.655
 2025 conference, the New South Wales

02:14:51.679 --> 02:14:53.655
Public Libraries Association 

02:14:53.679 --> 02:14:54.936
conference. That was the first one that

02:14:54.960 --> 02:14:56.856
I'd been to and it was probably one of

02:14:56.880 --> 02:14:59.336
the more exciting  conferences I've

02:14:59.360 --> 02:15:00.776
been to in in the local government

02:15:00.800 --> 02:15:03.575
sector. The library one is quite fun. So

02:15:03.599 --> 02:15:06.456
um I'd also just like to as part of the

02:15:06.480 --> 02:15:09.336
attendance of of my conference also um

02:15:09.360 --> 02:15:11.496
bring forward what I learned and what

02:15:11.520 --> 02:15:13.655
was the experience of that conference

02:15:13.679 --> 02:15:15.016
cuz obviously there's a lot of

02:15:15.040 --> 02:15:17.896
expectations around counselors and their

02:15:17.920 --> 02:15:20.695
attendance at various conferences 

02:15:20.719 --> 02:15:22.695
both in New South Wales and in

02:15:22.719 --> 02:15:25.719
interstate. So um the one that I would

02:15:25.920 --> 02:15:28.215
like to just bring forward is the

02:15:28.239 --> 02:15:30.296
advocacy  initiatives that have been

02:15:30.320 --> 02:15:32.296
outlined  in the New South Wales

02:15:32.320 --> 02:15:34.135
Public Libraries Association strategic

02:15:34.159 --> 02:15:37.159
plan for 2025 2029 which does talk about

02:15:37.440 --> 02:15:38.936
the issues that are currently being

02:15:38.960 --> 02:15:41.736
faced um by public libraries in New

02:15:41.760 --> 02:15:44.760
South Wales um relating to  advoc

02:15:45.199 --> 02:15:47.175
advocacy for increased public funding

02:15:47.199 --> 02:15:48.936
through the state government um as well

02:15:48.960 --> 02:15:50.615
as other issues that have also been

02:15:50.639 --> 02:15:53.639
debated and discussed  in this 

02:15:53.840 --> 02:15:55.816
council chambers such as the issues

02:15:55.840 --> 02:15:58.840
around  book bans and  the

02:15:59.280 --> 02:16:02.280
initiatives that have occurred um in

02:16:02.400 --> 02:16:05.400
Kaya. So  this motion is simply to 

02:16:06.079 --> 02:16:09.079
align council's  advocacy strategy

02:16:09.199 --> 02:16:11.736
particularly in the next year and into

02:16:11.760 --> 02:16:14.055
 a state election  to align itself

02:16:14.079 --> 02:16:15.336
with the New South Wales Public

02:16:15.360 --> 02:16:18.215
Libraries Association's  advocacy 

02:16:18.239 --> 02:16:20.135
initiatives.

02:16:20.159 --> 02:16:23.016
Thanks Council Larkins.

02:16:23.040 --> 02:16:24.296
There being no further comments,

02:16:24.320 --> 02:16:25.896
queries, I'll put the motion. All those

02:16:25.920 --> 02:16:27.655
in favor.

02:16:27.679 --> 02:16:30.679
All those against, the motion's carried.

02:16:30.719 --> 02:16:32.856
We're at item 20.5. Notice the motion.

02:16:32.880 --> 02:16:35.816
Councelor Draisma, the Ka Depo code

02:16:35.840 --> 02:16:37.976
design. You have the motion before you.

02:16:38.000 --> 02:16:39.495
Councelor Dre will move that. Do I have

02:16:39.519 --> 02:16:42.519
a second? Councelor Brown.

02:16:42.960 --> 02:16:44.216
Councelor Draisma.

02:16:44.240 --> 02:16:45.816
Thank you, Mr. May. Look, I'll keep it

02:16:45.840 --> 02:16:48.840
very brief. I think my um notice of

02:16:49.040 --> 02:16:52.040
motion is very to the point. Um, council

02:16:52.080 --> 02:16:54.936
had always intended on taking this step

02:16:54.960 --> 02:16:57.495
 as the next steps for  the life

02:16:57.519 --> 02:16:59.655
cycle of the project, but I just wanted

02:16:59.679 --> 02:17:02.136
to make it very demonstratively clear to

02:17:02.160 --> 02:17:03.976
the community, but that this is the next

02:17:04.000 --> 02:17:05.335
step that we're going to do. We're going

02:17:05.359 --> 02:17:08.216
to engage in a co-design process.  and

02:17:08.240 --> 02:17:10.776
it's up to us as the land owners  and

02:17:10.800 --> 02:17:13.575
as as we are part of the community to

02:17:13.599 --> 02:17:15.256
put in place what we want to see in

02:17:15.280 --> 02:17:18.280
terms of  the uses of that site. 

02:17:18.559 --> 02:17:21.016
and a development control plan and or a

02:17:21.040 --> 02:17:23.575
DA is the way that we do that here in in

02:17:23.599 --> 02:17:25.896
Cayama and in our planning system. I

02:17:25.920 --> 02:17:28.136
think there is a lot of skepticism about

02:17:28.160 --> 02:17:30.295
the community about what role council

02:17:30.319 --> 02:17:32.535
will play in the life cycle of the

02:17:32.559 --> 02:17:33.896
project or anything that goes on the

02:17:33.920 --> 02:17:36.455
site. And I think  all of us here are

02:17:36.479 --> 02:17:38.776
are very keen on making sure that there

02:17:38.800 --> 02:17:41.800
are good controls put on the site  and

02:17:41.920 --> 02:17:43.896
looking at the best possible outcome in

02:17:43.920 --> 02:17:45.335
terms of getting the balance right of

02:17:45.359 --> 02:17:47.736
housing delivery looking at other 

02:17:47.760 --> 02:17:49.415
potential uses on the site as well

02:17:49.439 --> 02:17:51.016
around the consideration of what our

02:17:51.040 --> 02:17:53.016
needs are now and will be into the

02:17:53.040 --> 02:17:55.016
future as a community.  and I just

02:17:55.040 --> 02:17:56.535
wanted to make it very clear that you

02:17:56.559 --> 02:17:58.295
know council is going to take this 

02:17:58.319 --> 02:18:00.375
next step very seriously.  we're going

02:18:00.399 --> 02:18:02.295
to allocate the necessary budget to make

02:18:02.319 --> 02:18:04.695
sure that we do that codeesign process

02:18:04.719 --> 02:18:06.936
effectively  and make sure that we are

02:18:06.960 --> 02:18:08.535
capturing all that feedback that we've

02:18:08.559 --> 02:18:10.136
heard particularly from the properties

02:18:10.160 --> 02:18:12.856
in the immediate area of the depo site

02:18:12.880 --> 02:18:14.776
um in consideration of what we put

02:18:14.800 --> 02:18:16.615
together and and present as part of that

02:18:16.639 --> 02:18:19.335
codeesign process. So I wanted to thank

02:18:19.359 --> 02:18:21.495
as well the community's engagement on

02:18:21.519 --> 02:18:23.736
this particular issue and um thank them

02:18:23.760 --> 02:18:25.575
for their submissions that we have 

02:18:25.599 --> 02:18:28.056
we've all received.  it's very much

02:18:28.080 --> 02:18:30.455
noted that you know we we take this very

02:18:30.479 --> 02:18:33.479
seriously. Um this is not  for us just

02:18:34.000 --> 02:18:36.856
an exercise of of making money. This is

02:18:36.880 --> 02:18:39.575
about building a a a large and vibrant

02:18:39.599 --> 02:18:41.575
community that meets our needs into the

02:18:41.599 --> 02:18:44.295
future.  and we want to make sure that

02:18:44.319 --> 02:18:46.375
um that we take you all along for the

02:18:46.399 --> 02:18:48.695
journey  and make sure that  you

02:18:48.719 --> 02:18:51.096
know on once we have an outcome from

02:18:51.120 --> 02:18:53.575
that state-led reasonzoning process um

02:18:53.599 --> 02:18:55.495
that you all know exactly what that's

02:18:55.519 --> 02:18:57.495
going to look like.  from early next

02:18:57.519 --> 02:18:59.415
year. Um the other thing I wanted to

02:18:59.439 --> 02:19:00.776
note, obviously a lot of the things that

02:19:00.800 --> 02:19:03.256
that were brought up with council  and

02:19:03.280 --> 02:19:05.816
with council staff and and council laws

02:19:05.840 --> 02:19:08.136
more broadly during this process was the

02:19:08.160 --> 02:19:09.736
concerns around what would be

02:19:09.760 --> 02:19:11.495
considerations for a development

02:19:11.519 --> 02:19:14.519
application. Things such as um setback

02:19:15.359 --> 02:19:17.736
 privacy  maintenance of vegetation

02:19:17.760 --> 02:19:20.615
on on site, storm water management, 

02:19:20.639 --> 02:19:22.216
overshadowing, all of those things will

02:19:22.240 --> 02:19:23.736
need to be considered as part of that

02:19:23.760 --> 02:19:26.375
process. Um and I think it's very clear

02:19:26.399 --> 02:19:27.976
that you know there there is actually

02:19:28.000 --> 02:19:29.736
goodwill of the community to have the

02:19:29.760 --> 02:19:32.760
discussion about um a a necessary growth

02:19:33.599 --> 02:19:36.216
um but doing it our own way and making

02:19:36.240 --> 02:19:38.535
sure that you know we as at this point

02:19:38.559 --> 02:19:40.776
in time as the project managers and and

02:19:40.800 --> 02:19:43.096
potentially um as the co-developers or

02:19:43.120 --> 02:19:45.976
the developers of the site going forward

02:19:46.000 --> 02:19:48.375
um that we make sure that you know we

02:19:48.399 --> 02:19:50.216
get the best possible outcome. And I

02:19:50.240 --> 02:19:51.896
think the other thing I would note is

02:19:51.920 --> 02:19:53.976
there was a genuine concern based on

02:19:54.000 --> 02:19:55.656
previous project management from the

02:19:55.680 --> 02:19:57.176
community that we would not be able to

02:19:57.200 --> 02:19:59.335
do this effectively. And I would say

02:19:59.359 --> 02:20:01.016
that we have a performance improvement

02:20:01.040 --> 02:20:03.016
order in place. We've undertaken a

02:20:03.040 --> 02:20:04.776
number of very serious actions to make

02:20:04.800 --> 02:20:06.856
sure that any project that we manage

02:20:06.880 --> 02:20:09.016
going forward into the future is done in

02:20:09.040 --> 02:20:11.176
a robust way and we have we have

02:20:11.200 --> 02:20:14.200
successful oversight from from from Eric

02:20:14.399 --> 02:20:15.976
 and from our new committee as well

02:20:16.000 --> 02:20:17.816
and some very good heads in the room to

02:20:17.840 --> 02:20:19.496
make sure that we are making

02:20:19.520 --> 02:20:22.136
well-informed decisions  and also that

02:20:22.160 --> 02:20:24.216
we are taking the community along with

02:20:24.240 --> 02:20:27.096
us. This is this is not  this is not

02:20:27.120 --> 02:20:29.496
blue haven banana 2.0. There are some

02:20:29.520 --> 02:20:31.816
very real considerations around the site

02:20:31.840 --> 02:20:33.496
that are going to be challenges, but

02:20:33.520 --> 02:20:35.496
these are also opportunities for us as a

02:20:35.520 --> 02:20:38.216
council to be part of the solution of

02:20:38.240 --> 02:20:41.016
delivering housing in our LGA and in our

02:20:41.040 --> 02:20:44.040
region. And I would strongly  like the

02:20:44.160 --> 02:20:46.136
support of my colleagues to take this

02:20:46.160 --> 02:20:47.656
really important step in making it clear

02:20:47.680 --> 02:20:49.736
about what our process is going forward.

02:20:49.760 --> 02:20:52.295
Okay. Thank you, Councelor Draisma.

02:20:52.319 --> 02:20:53.415
Councelor Kes.

02:20:53.439 --> 02:20:56.439
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I wanted to ask um

02:20:56.640 --> 02:20:59.640
councelor Drezma if she would support

02:21:00.640 --> 02:21:03.640
um the CEO's recommendation to change 2

02:21:04.880 --> 02:21:07.096
at the end of her recommendation and if

02:21:07.120 --> 02:21:09.656
she is supportive of that I'll move that

02:21:09.680 --> 02:21:11.256
amendment.

02:21:11.280 --> 02:21:14.280
Um so we're going to replace um we're

02:21:14.319 --> 02:21:16.856
going to replace 2 with the CEO's

02:21:16.880 --> 02:21:19.256
recommendation which is the very last

02:21:19.280 --> 02:21:22.280
paragraph of the um of item 20.5.

02:21:24.960 --> 02:21:26.776
Thanks, Councelor Drez. Can we just put

02:21:26.800 --> 02:21:29.016
that up there

02:21:29.040 --> 02:21:32.040
so that Oh, you don't have it.

02:21:32.160 --> 02:21:35.160
Page 216.

02:21:39.200 --> 02:21:42.200
Just so the councils have the 

02:21:43.600 --> 02:21:46.600
subsequent decision making process a

02:21:47.040 --> 02:21:49.736
future report be provided to council

02:21:49.760 --> 02:21:51.496
outlines how staff will implement a code

02:21:51.520 --> 02:21:53.335
design process for a development control

02:21:53.359 --> 02:21:55.415
plan on the shop haven street site

02:21:55.439 --> 02:21:56.936
consistent with the adopted community

02:21:56.960 --> 02:21:59.576
participation plan.

02:21:59.600 --> 02:22:02.600
Thanks councelor Dweller

02:22:05.600 --> 02:22:07.816
and that amendment has been accepted. So

02:22:07.840 --> 02:22:10.840
that will become the motion.

02:22:29.840 --> 02:22:32.840
You lost

02:22:51.439 --> 02:22:54.439
Is that the  the wording there in

02:22:54.640 --> 02:22:56.936
total? Thanks, Councelor Drez. Okay.

02:22:56.960 --> 02:22:58.455
Council Lord.

02:22:58.479 --> 02:23:00.216
Yes. Thank you. through you, mayor. And

02:23:00.240 --> 02:23:02.375
this may have actually answered my

02:23:02.399 --> 02:23:04.295
question because I felt that the

02:23:04.319 --> 02:23:07.319
original um notice of motion may have

02:23:07.600 --> 02:23:10.536
been um too preemptive in the fact. So

02:23:10.560 --> 02:23:13.560
I'm assuming that this point 2 is

02:23:13.600 --> 02:23:16.600
removing that issue. Thank you.

02:23:19.439 --> 02:23:22.136
Just to  council's question. So the

02:23:22.160 --> 02:23:24.696
reason why inverted commas finalization

02:23:24.720 --> 02:23:26.056
that's just referring to the actual

02:23:26.080 --> 02:23:27.976
process. So whatever the outcome of a

02:23:28.000 --> 02:23:30.536
decision is is known as finalization. I

02:23:30.560 --> 02:23:32.616
wanted to make it very clear by actually

02:23:32.640 --> 02:23:34.696
putting in commas that it's not that

02:23:34.720 --> 02:23:37.016
that it does not preempt the decision

02:23:37.040 --> 02:23:39.096
but that is that is the word and

02:23:39.120 --> 02:23:40.536
language that's used in a stateled

02:23:40.560 --> 02:23:42.455
resoning is the finalization of a

02:23:42.479 --> 02:23:45.479
decision. Um so that's hence why but I'm

02:23:45.520 --> 02:23:47.096
more than happy to have the amendment

02:23:47.120 --> 02:23:47.736
adopted.

02:23:47.760 --> 02:23:49.976
Thanks councelor DA.

02:23:50.000 --> 02:23:53.000
Any further comments on this one? No. Um

02:23:53.359 --> 02:23:55.016
I'll put the motion. All those in favor

02:23:55.040 --> 02:23:57.176
raise your hands.

02:23:57.200 --> 02:24:00.200
All those against the motions carried.

02:24:00.399 --> 02:24:02.776
Now due to our

02:24:02.800 --> 02:24:04.936
procedural motion earlier, we're now at

02:24:04.960 --> 02:24:07.096
13.1 which is adoption of the code of

02:24:07.120 --> 02:24:08.936
meeting practice. Do I have a mover?

02:24:08.960 --> 02:24:10.856
Councelor Larkin second to councelor

02:24:10.880 --> 02:24:13.880
Brown. Any comments? Council Larkins Brown.

02:24:14.240 --> 02:24:16.856
No. Okay, we'll um put the motion. All

02:24:16.880 --> 02:24:19.736
those in favor raise your hands.

02:24:19.760 --> 02:24:22.696
All those against the motions carried.

02:24:22.720 --> 02:24:25.720
We're moving into confidential now.

02:24:26.479 --> 02:24:28.936
Thanks, Mr. Bell. Merry Christmas, Mr.

02:24:28.960 --> 02:24:31.576
Bell.

02:24:31.600 --> 02:24:33.256
Okay. Are there any representations

02:24:33.280 --> 02:24:34.696
regarding issues proposed to be

02:24:34.720 --> 02:24:36.056
disclosed in confidential committee of

02:24:36.080 --> 02:24:38.696
the whole

02:24:38.720 --> 02:24:41.720
there being none,

02:24:42.479 --> 02:24:45.479
I'll read out the

02:24:45.680 --> 02:24:47.256
reasons for exclusion of the press and

02:24:47.280 --> 02:24:50.056
the public. Item 21.1 recommended that

02:24:50.080 --> 02:24:53.080
in accordance with section 10 and 10A of

02:24:53.120 --> 02:24:55.656
the local government act 1993 as amended

02:24:55.680 --> 02:24:57.016
council close the meeting of the

02:24:57.040 --> 02:24:58.295
confidential committee of the whole to

02:24:58.319 --> 02:24:59.816
the press and public to deal with the

02:24:59.840 --> 02:25:01.576
following matters on the grounds as

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detailed below. Item 22.1 drainage

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matter Jam Brew recent confidentiality.

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This matter deals with personnel matters

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concerning particular individuals other

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than counselors as per section 10

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capital A2A of the local government act

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and advice concerning litigation or

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advice as comprises a discussion of this

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matter that would otherwise be

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privileged from production in legal

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proceedings on the ground of legal

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professional privilege as per section 10

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capital A2G of the local government act.

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Item 22.2 Two service review depo

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operations and fleet management reason

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for confidentiality. This matter deals

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with personnel matters concerning

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particular individuals other than

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counselors as per section 10 capital A2A

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of the local government act. Item 22.3

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strategic risk register. Reason for

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confidentiality. This matter deals with

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details of systems and or arrangements

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that have been implemented to protect

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council council staff and council

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property as per section 10 capital A2F

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of the local government act. Item 22.4

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Four tender jerry reserve drainage

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reason for confidentiality. This matter

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deals with conf commercial information

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of a confidential nature that would if

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disclosed prejudice the commercial

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position of the person who supplied it

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as per section 10 capital AD Roman

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numeral one of the local government act.

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Item 22.5

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CO note update to item 22.4 tender jerry

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reserve drainage reason of

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confidentiality. This matter deals with

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commercial information of a confidential

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nature that would if disclosed prejudice

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the commercial position of the person

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who supplied it as per section 10

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capital A2D Roman numeral one of the

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local government act can I have a mover

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council second council tatre all those

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in favor raise your hands all those

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against the motions carried so it's at

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this time 6:28 council form itself into

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the confidential committee of the whole

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to deal with matters listed in the

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recommendation subject to consideration

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of any representations relating to such

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action. Can I have a mover? Councelor

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Lark and seconded councelor Tatray. The

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motion's carried.

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Okay. Welcome back everyone. So

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at this time

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I'd like the CEO to read out the

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recommendations from the confidential

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committee to the whole.

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Thank you Mr. Mayor. During confidential

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session, council adopted the following.

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In respect to item 22.1, drainage matter

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Jambaroo. Council resolved that council

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one, seek consent from the affected

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property owner to allow council access

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to excavate and remove the buildup

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material within the drainage channel and

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two commence further investigation and

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negotiations on the long-term

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maintenance of the drainage channel.

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Council received item 22.2, two service

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review on depo operations and fleet

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management for information only. On 22.3

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council likewise received an information

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report on strategic risk register. Item

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22.4 4 was updated by a CEO's note and

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council resolved the following in

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respect to Jerry Emmery reserve drainage

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that council one in accordance with the

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clause 178

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1A of the local government general

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regulation of 2005 New South Wales

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accept the tender offer for contract KT

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300925

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from

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sorry

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from Green Horicultural Group

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Proprietary Limited. Two, delegate to

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the chief executive officer the

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authority to finalize and execute the

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contract and associated documents on

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behalf of council. Three, grant

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authority to use the common seal of

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council on the contracts and any other

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documentation should it be required to

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give effect to this resolution.

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And then in respect to item 22.5,

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that was 22.5.

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My mistake. Item 22.4 was replaced with

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the CEO's note, which therefore makes

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item 22.5.

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Thank you.

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Thanks. So at this time um I recommend

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that we resolve that the confidence

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committee the whole recommendations

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number 22.1 and 22.5 and the reports

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noted in 22.2 and 22.3 be confirmed and

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adopted. Do I have a mover councelor Draisma

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seconded councelor Tatray? All those in

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favor raise your hands.

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All those against the motions carried.

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So just before we finish up the meeting

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tonight, um in concluding, I'd like to

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make some closing remarks with regards

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to the end of the year. After the events

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of the last few days, I'd certainly like

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to reaffirm our support for Wavely

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Council and our fellow councilors and

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also support of our and our hearts go

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out to the Jewish community in

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Australia.

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I wish everyone on behalf of the whole

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community and the counselor team a merry

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Christmas. A Christmas where we can be

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kind to each other and where we remember

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what makes our community stronger and

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that is by standing together. Also wish

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everyone a happy new year. Enjoy the

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time with your family and friends and I

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look forward to seeing you in 2026. All

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the best

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at this time. At this time 6:44 I

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declare the meeting closed. The minutes

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were confirmed at the ordinary meeting

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of council held on 17th February 2026.